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On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:11 AM, A. PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com> wrote:
> >
> > {natpa'i} already exists in jbovlaste:patriot; nationalist
> > I would understand a {naijgi} to be a milder version of a {natpa'i}.
>
> I wouldn't think they would be mild vs strong, exactly.  I'd think a
> naijgi is someone who's proud of their nation, and a natpa'i is
> someone who loves their nation.  You might be naijgi without having
> the depth of feeling to be natpa'i, so it could be milder in that
> sense, but I'd think you could also be very natpa'i without being
> naijgi, for instance if your nation which you deeply love is taking
> actions about which you're ashamed.  It seems to me they're both good
> translations for "patriotic", depending on context, and it seems to me
> a beautiful and useful distinction.
>
> mi'e .telselkik. mu'o
>
>   I assume, in the context of the thread, that these were lujvo actually
used in la .alis. but not in jbovlaste, so totus is working with what he's
presented with, and discussion about whther or not these are the RIGHT words
for a particular English concept (as opposed to the other way 'round) are
outside the scope of this thread.

                              --gejyspa

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<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Stela Selckiku <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:selckiku@gmail.com">selckiku@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"im">On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:11 AM, A. PIEKARSKI &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:totus@rogers.com">totus@rogers.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt=
; {natpa&#39;i} already exists in jbovlaste:patriot; nationalist<br>&gt; I =
would understand a {naijgi} to be a milder version of a {natpa&#39;i}.<br>
<br></div>I wouldn&#39;t think they would be mild vs strong, exactly. =C2=
=A0I&#39;d think a<br>naijgi is someone who&#39;s proud of their nation, an=
d a natpa&#39;i is<br>someone who loves their nation. =C2=A0You might be na=
ijgi without having<br>
the depth of feeling to be natpa&#39;i, so it could be milder in that<br>se=
nse, but I&#39;d think you could also be very natpa&#39;i without being<br>=
naijgi, for instance if your nation which you deeply love is taking<br>
actions about which you&#39;re ashamed. =C2=A0It seems to me they&#39;re bo=
th good<br>translations for &quot;patriotic&quot;, depending on context, an=
d it seems to me<br>a beautiful and useful distinction.<br><br>mi&#39;e .te=
lselkik. mu&#39;o<br>
<br></blockquote>
<div>=C2=A0 I assume, in the context of the thread, that these were lujvo a=
ctually used in la .alis. but not in jbovlaste, so totus is working with wh=
at he&#39;s presented with, and=C2=A0discussion about whther or not these a=
re the RIGHT words for a particular English concept (as opposed to the othe=
r way &#39;round) are outside the scope of this thread.</div>

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=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 --gejyspa</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div></div><br>

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