Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 05:33:13 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4C7h-0000qJ-Vy; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 05:32:30 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Fri, 08 Oct 2010 05:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4C6K-0000q8-O1 for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 05:31:04 -0700 Received: from n12.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([74.6.228.92]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4C6G-0000pn-Gk for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 05:31:04 -0700 Received: from [76.13.12.64] by n12.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2010 12:30:54 -0000 Received: from [66.196.114.78] by t5.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2010 12:30:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp307.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2010 12:30:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 93526.66731.bm@omp307.mail.re3.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 25599 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2010 12:30:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1286541053; bh=jghJXqcSakDQ8MJ4BVMiGxJYZcRJWQd6agvWzyGNq0Y=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ztV072EyVpHzFGa4efHL3wJ71eP83KgeG/fRu3IhZZ03RwvyRvi6CyzOLCRMlLDPK3ZRyhjEAV0t/41O0nE35pf7E29ympWzjK8abuzTVibhQK5WLweKkRxBZ1Uydyu4pRf8V9lnsM7+4QOFw8iqF82WCHQcOWsv2hsjKH9x9Jc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4uRnFDbgmvdoEqt9ell73Ee2zB6ACLQ/39pnCeXfR5ivG6EmOQqCpKeTzuDjxwvW28Ur5ahMHhdoH1EyZZEYelUq0744omsfAORQ1hiF23ur+5haNXRgYE5Rv4zPBrBmfLtClFzzPobaiNGeBwQJRcREmnC3Tbae/PRWyXa/u4g=; Message-ID: <943852.25582.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qdz_VtUVM1ng4gFheY__Wzwf2CXyUFhGdSKOiknk.sq5PyE aVHhaT1Cv.v8c9QPi.K7zGaiwK.ziig1WthO19GWjCUEbZVNmZDUiiSyEgdx 34lZUuyVxLtGRFawNUCaznXwlNOM4_MQt4JIglSR0piakVyMeW5jCxOw9d2Q viSgWerpAnMrveI6fv7lXZn8QfdSgDa1YreQcTpGDdemWpWO6zzFllPUfpdJ EQYHb8aD98ozQAsHykgC.C2d9d8Al6wOVmOruKYRZq_1d6gND1rIojE1CA17 gGMbtFMBKSQlx65k31w-- Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 05:30:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/504.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.106.282862 References: <558537.71010.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <201010070900.05461.phma@phma.optus.nu> <978607.64371.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 05:30:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 12 To: jbovlaste@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1013 Lines: 30 >>> >>> {natpa'i} already exists in jbovlaste:patriot; nationalist >>> I would understand a {naijgi} to be a milder version of a {natpa'i}. >> >>I wouldn't think they would be mild vs strong, exactly.  I'd think a >>naijgi is someone who's proud of their nation, and a natpa'i is >>someone who loves their nation.  You might be naijgi without having >>the depth of feeling to be natpa'i, so it could be milder in that >>sense, but I'd think you could also be very natpa'i without being >>naijgi, for instance if your nation which you deeply love is taking >>actions about which you're ashamed.  It seems to me they're both good >>translations for "patriotic", depending on context, and it seems to me >>a beautiful and useful distinction. >> Good point!!  But, in that case, {natjgi} aligns better with 'patriot/nationalist' than does {natpa'i} - if you support the idea that nationalists tend to support their nations 'right ot wrong'. Also, {natpa'i} would sem to be a super-set of {natjgi}. totus