Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 09:00:36 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4FMc-0002Ib-Uo; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 09:00:07 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Fri, 08 Oct 2010 08:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4FLr-0002IV-72 for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 08:59:19 -0700 Received: from rekin26.go2.pl ([193.17.41.76]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4FLj-0002IE-6P for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 08:59:19 -0700 Received: from rekin26.go2.pl (unknown [10.0.0.2]) by rekin26.go2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E9C35D823 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 17:59:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from unknown (unknown [10.0.0.74]) by rekin26.go2.pl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 17:59:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-bw0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53] by poczta.o2.pl with ESMTP id rQxtSj; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 17:59:00 +0200 Received: by bwz10 with SMTP id 10so241978bwz.40 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 08:58:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.65.129 with SMTP id j1mr2204578bki.156.1286553539760; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 08:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.25.136 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 08:58:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <943852.25582.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <558537.71010.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <201010070900.05461.phma@phma.optus.nu> <978607.64371.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <943852.25582.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 17:58:59 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 12 From: Janek To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-O2-Trust: 2, 64 X-O2-SPF: neutral X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: j-sz@o2.pl Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1245 Lines: 40 I'll put in my beginner's pennyworth: {natjgi} is not even a proper lujvo, sholud be {natyjgi} or {naijgi}. mu'o mi'e ianek On 8 October 2010 14:30, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > > >>>> >>>> {natpa'i} already exists in jbovlaste:patriot; nationalist >>>> I would understand a {naijgi} to be a milder version of a {natpa'i}. >>> >>>I wouldn't think they would be mild vs strong, exactly.  I'd think a >>>naijgi is someone who's proud of their nation, and a natpa'i is >>>someone who loves their nation.  You might be naijgi without having >>>the depth of feeling to be natpa'i, so it could be milder in that >>>sense, but I'd think you could also be very natpa'i without being >>>naijgi, for instance if your nation which you deeply love is taking >>>actions about which you're ashamed.  It seems to me they're both good >>>translations for "patriotic", depending on context, and it seems to me >>>a beautiful and useful distinction. >>> > Good point!!  But, in that case, {natjgi} aligns better with > 'patriot/nationalist' than > > does {natpa'i} - if you support the idea that nationalists tend to support their > > nations 'right ot wrong'. > > Also, {natpa'i} would sem to be a super-set of {natjgi}. > > totus > > > > >