Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:40:55 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P50op-0006Mc-31; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:40:23 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:39:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P50nu-0006MV-3x for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:39:26 -0700 Received: from n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com ([68.142.237.91]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P50no-0006Lx-AX for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:39:26 -0700 Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2010 18:39:14 -0000 Received: from [66.196.97.134] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2010 18:39:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp107.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Oct 2010 18:39:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 46180.65800.bm@omp107.mail.re3.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 62966 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2010 18:39:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1286735953; bh=haI2ghu9v/CDgN/68xPlTFaxI/S+KfGl6HJVght0PDU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tgd2OqK9DCAAMLIiW80QN6/XRQbmypuZsAwwl9TypE138xnW9PCIk63x6GpxZYQRkRRFstIYqrRNuJSUjUjHZML3xtaDt9N9PSPpr2xgZR6OV37CPo7HXn4AJe80WKJD1lXmFWAc7kT7aOVYgK3LEgntHYe3EsKPpcWZIdGINBk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zna8YyigfmDAU+1tmuQX1gg+sz5VcwxaKF+6nYAonuXg4YN/+RMpzd/WivOk1dx5N44bl/BFRfFQBuoxW0bb6wfjEUlMflFMyA5DNDDAJtZh11WTtjY53O6ars0pOuuYl4IlWPR8qxMJNYkPkGqV6G77IaYe45ccf0n/S7IXxE0=; Message-ID: <904926.62018.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 2o36EPoVM1mj8DWLrI.gsbz9FPa4kGsLvlfZtFB.rqgRCxS nyLr1tmyd3phdPhKVf4HpnReFo7UxCECdsyY1gxqu_jh8XjXadtJnJQ3fRQM 6uEyeNOCFiuPX7UBG7ASThOSu_AKMK1pnIpkFPrFkVT5NSFxJO2AG1aV8VXP tLsEVyVdPc.Kibd_oVWgYsxlbvGZhpweMWdUry5N5C3e0HT1vPgyFqBG6oTE jEjxC0138y.RAGEn4QsqwSRva2zuHeVuIfrrNwltwbDHmAQNfeL_vr5p08a1 cD_hvMdfwFrHzVCesjJHBDgA2 Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:39:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/504.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.106.282862 References: <591650.39541.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:39:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 13 To: jbovlaste@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1003 Lines: 46 > > On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 3:27 PM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > > > > 1) plicu'a > > > >  c1=p1 adopts/selects/chooses/accepts c2=p2 out of c3 > > > > from > > c1=p1 cuxna c2=p2 c3 tezu'e p2=c2 pilno p3 > > I can't parse that. I think it should  be something like: > > ko'a cuxna ko'e ko'i te zu'e lo nu ko'a pilno ko'e ko'o > "x1 adopts/selects x2 out of alternatives x3 for use x4 Of course. I have a congenital defect of treating {tezu'e} as an abstractor! .> > > 2) > > daftadji > > > > t1 finds a remedy for d2 > > > > from > > t1 tadji lo danfu be t3 ku d2 > > > > gloss: > > > > arrive at solution > > find a solution > > find a remedy > > x1 is the remedy, not the one who finds the remedy. There's no agent > in either "danfu" or "tadji". > > ko'a tadji lo danfu be ko'e (ko'i) > "x1 is a remedy for x2 (under conditions x3)" > But isn't {danfu} already a solution i.e. a remedy?  Thats why I was trying to treat the {tadji} part as 'coming up iwth a remedy'. totus