Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 07:18:42 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PANsS-0007gH-Hy; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 07:18:20 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Mon, 25 Oct 2010 07:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PANrc-0007g8-RA for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 07:17:28 -0700 Received: from nm23-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([98.139.53.220]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PANrZ-0007fL-DP for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 07:17:28 -0700 Received: from [98.139.52.191] by nm23.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2010 14:17:19 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.183] by tm4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2010 14:17:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1066.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2010 14:17:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 183230.87568.bm@omp1066.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 71278 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2010 14:17:19 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1288016239; bh=Zcxu3/YEMq3Kg2yjM783cOVgWE1hBAMh/2XLh1v8DbQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2eXlvQsgXThKFcp8Ut3Zv3aaLYkYGElfCM8+UZThMDkwdadRC5mGzFeh/jI0m1IaoL4I6ePS9gnPlPWc19nm0X3SC/0lRnePUJWdTGIhh6NmIMIujR21/SzWrRb/m/C7LZZsiSrzdtjGVNO8bIKnqd+VqVqHwMt1ybvCWanfvyI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ohIrZl9VAk4TDrn+slcx5UXazG50d3TADl04hOYLzfUoEi3oF+aZtqxb/I63Th9KR+4EGME0SVYTtJjc2715PybiSTDO0RcHmSGzmLZh9VcQmqLhqnKcw12suhdsfkHSGp9p2clwKZnsxJ//hAdtBTz7mnuYKTGbw+bNCG1IPqk=; Message-ID: <52394.70035.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: BznO9.AVM1mqlxUU8ipn.R7vwyA2viNfsCe.k3bnNGevXgT a50wdP4DejZYx25D28u17THN3s6pGiTM60IHQ0g8KKgimSO_USBVAzp.vAYN nJkTgtvQgWLjAoophWFGwXP4KhaZbPc88rgBXxIcu0HmxtsAhJLEeomcgZ.a 5qzEagu0SB9aqSP66Ei8QAPpOWL.mfYYJZDIVbjCRAjuEcXUKD4KN0_TgMIy gnyRwjWT5NGfdNPBA1g0cU2FBR4Bmq2dNJnB_zF4BflsK0H4j09.5Z9wY1tp aOwE5NCBuyECIxOaaO6LYtJHy3jJWarJ0GoXpVucU0OqrhXeyPSOomA-- Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 07:17:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/504.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.284920 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 07:17:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [jbovlaste] xagrai and superlatives To: jbovlaste@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 928 Lines: 35 Hi, I have just seen this a lujvo in jbovlaste that really irks me: xagrai t1=x1 is optimal in property t2 of extremity t3 among range t4. While technically, a lujvo can be defined as anything, it should be reasonable.  The property here is 'goodness' so what is t2 doing there? If you subscribe to the convention of keeping the places in the same order the same as those in the originating gismu, then the lujvo should be: 1) t1=x1 is the best for x2 by standard x3, the extreme being t3, among set/range t4   from: t1=x1 traji loka xamgu x2 x3 kei t3 t4   OR   If on the other hand you prefer the convention of reordering he places so that the most used ones come first, and rarely used ones get dropped, then:   2) t1=x1 is the best among set/range t4 for x2 by standard x3   Superlatives are used frequently, in particular {xagrai}, so it would be good to get some consensus on this.   Opinions please.   totus