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Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: fu'ivla for liquors
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Pretty please with sugar on top, somebody please let me know how the
hell to get off this list.

2010/11/23 Craig Daniel <teucer@pobox.com>:
> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:15 PM, A. PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com> wrote:
>> coi ro do
>>
>> Please comment.  My fui'vla creation abilities are limited,
>> so feel free to suggest something better.
>>
>> 1) koinka (cognac)
>> English/French: cognac
>> Chinese Mandarin: Gānyì
>> Spanish: coñac
>
> I like it. The <in> implies something like the palatal nasal of the
> French version.
>
>> 2) vi'iski (whiskey)
>> English: whiskey
>> Chinese Mandarin: wēishìjì
>> Hindi: vhiskī
>> Spanish: güisqui
>
> That's a lujvo meaning something like "coprologist."
>
> You're also missing the important form on your list - uisge, short for
> uisge beatha. The word's Gaelic; the others are all fu'ivla
> themselves. I'd start with a vowel (likely to be realized as a
> semivowel by most speakers) and go for something starting with .ui.
> .uiski is invalid (because ski is the rafsi for skicu, so a cup of
> whiskey would become a delightful description-cup), but .uiskyba would
> be a halfway decent approximation of the Gaelic form and entirely
> valid as a Lojban fu'ivla.
>
>> 3) vo'odka (vodka)
>> English/Russian: vodka
>> Chinese Mandarin: fútèjiā
>> Hindi: vōdakā
>> Spanish: vodka
>
> dk is an invalid cluster. I'd go with vo'otka to fix it. (The fact
> that tk is invalid as an initial cluster is relevant here or this
> would be a lujvo form.)
>
>> 4) campana (champagne)
>> English/French: champagne
>> Chinese Mandarin: xiāngbīn
>> Hindi: śaimpēna
>> Spanish: champaña
>
> Looks pretty good, although I'd do what worked for cognac and make it
> campaina instead; the <gn> is supposed to be palatal, IIRC.
>
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