Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:36:36 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PL1T2-00022y-9J; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:36:04 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:35:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PL1SR-00022s-9J for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:35:27 -0800 Received: from mail-iw0-f181.google.com ([209.85.214.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PL1SJ-00022k-61 for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:35:27 -0800 Received: by iwn3 with SMTP id 3so11737011iwn.40 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:35:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JYqHobLV5SqYDucYHgZFKJRA9bX2+umnN2lr9yfW5yk=; b=Kz2gKxA+6/L86Jv3T30RcbwgA7oHzbghjNR06NX56toX1zjSIPcR4p/L0x51u2UKWM mUs8uq5XxljTOzRjcJkMmM9cN1APpyY4O5dRe3n9NOeNA9mDgS6YJU6gq7J/1i0HYUvY CRUZFH4LrdrSA4e3QfbdxSl0SdCkam8n3ntbo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=sOaHaosvGrnCD8cV0YKTkQ3Q8epl3ugEg5rb7wtkVGx+6t0Wu0dNnZZ40zyyiXwbuA YjIUTgKr3Xmq9wDEVAm7DU+MCd8AfM3ldlBJNnxgCb4TAxM9icWNs496vSKFWb0DFg1g AdyZqjJcuOuRxkF6VR9kal/1vHylSD/cnu8UA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.35.132 with SMTP id p4mr9001645ibd.33.1290551718019; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:35:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.208.81 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:35:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <770898.27481.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:35:17 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: fu'ivla for liquors From: Jonathan Jones To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00221532ce4cb7843f0495bffc3b X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 5759 Lines: 142 --00221532ce4cb7843f0495bffc3b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe replying to any message with the word UNSUBSCRIBE as the subject or in the body is sufficient. 2010/11/23 Martin Norb=C3=A4ck > Pretty please with sugar on top, somebody please let me know how the > hell to get off this list. > > 2010/11/23 Craig Daniel : > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:15 PM, A. PIEKARSKI > wrote: > >> coi ro do > >> > >> Please comment. My fui'vla creation abilities are limited, > >> so feel free to suggest something better. > >> > >> 1) koinka (cognac) > >> English/French: cognac > >> Chinese Mandarin: G=C4=81ny=C3=AC > >> Spanish: co=C3=B1ac > > > > I like it. The implies something like the palatal nasal of the > > French version. > > > >> 2) vi'iski (whiskey) > >> English: whiskey > >> Chinese Mandarin: w=C4=93ish=C3=ACj=C3=AC > >> Hindi: vhisk=C4=AB > >> Spanish: g=C3=BCisqui > > > > That's a lujvo meaning something like "coprologist." > > > > You're also missing the important form on your list - uisge, short for > > uisge beatha. The word's Gaelic; the others are all fu'ivla > > themselves. I'd start with a vowel (likely to be realized as a > > semivowel by most speakers) and go for something starting with .ui. > > .uiski is invalid (because ski is the rafsi for skicu, so a cup of > > whiskey would become a delightful description-cup), but .uiskyba would > > be a halfway decent approximation of the Gaelic form and entirely > > valid as a Lojban fu'ivla. > > > >> 3) vo'odka (vodka) > >> English/Russian: vodka > >> Chinese Mandarin: f=C3=BAt=C3=A8ji=C4=81 > >> Hindi: v=C5=8Ddak=C4=81 > >> Spanish: vodka > > > > dk is an invalid cluster. I'd go with vo'otka to fix it. (The fact > > that tk is invalid as an initial cluster is relevant here or this > > would be a lujvo form.) > > > >> 4) campana (champagne) > >> English/French: champagne > >> Chinese Mandarin: xi=C4=81ngb=C4=ABn > >> Hindi: =C5=9Baimp=C4=93na > >> Spanish: champa=C3=B1a > > > > Looks pretty good, although I'd do what worked for cognac and make it > > campaina instead; the is supposed to be palatal, IIRC. > > > > > > > > > > > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --00221532ce4cb7843f0495bffc3b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe replying to any message with the word UNSUBSCRIBE as the subject = or in the body is sufficient.

2010/11/23 Martin Norb=C3=A4ck <martin@norpan.org><= br>

Pretty please with sugar on top,= somebody please let me know how the
hell to get off this list.

2010/11/23 Craig Daniel <teucer@pobo= x.com>:

> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:15 PM, A. PIEKARSKI <<= a href=3D"mailto:totus@rogers.com">totus@rogers.com> wrote:
>&= gt; coi ro do
>>
>> Please comment.=C2=A0 My fui'vla = creation abilities are limited,
>> so feel free to suggest something better.
>>
>> = 1) koinka (cognac)
>> English/French: cognac
>> Chinese M= andarin: G=C4=81ny=C3=AC
>> Spanish:=C2=A0co=C3=B1ac
>
&g= t; I like it. The <in> implies something like the palatal nasal of th= e
> French version.
>
>> 2) vi'iski (whiskey)
>&g= t; English: whiskey
>> Chinese Mandarin: w=C4=93ish=C3=ACj=C3=AC>> Hindi: vhisk=C4=AB
>> Spanish:=C2=A0g=C3=BCisqui
>= ;
> That's a lujvo meaning something like "coprologist."= ;
>
> You're also missing the important form on your list - uisg= e, short for
> uisge beatha. The word's Gaelic; the others are al= l fu'ivla
> themselves. I'd start with a vowel (likely to be = realized as a
> semivowel by most speakers) and go for something starting with .ui.> .uiski is invalid (because ski is the rafsi for skicu, so a cup of> whiskey would become a delightful description-cup), but .uiskyba woul= d
> be a halfway decent approximation of the Gaelic form and entirely
&= gt; valid as a Lojban fu'ivla.
>
>> 3) vo'odka (vodk= a)
>> English/Russian: vodka
>> Chinese Mandarin: f=C3=BA= t=C3=A8ji=C4=81
>> Hindi: v=C5=8Ddak=C4=81
>> Spanish: vodka
>
>= dk is an invalid cluster. I'd go with vo'otka to fix it. (The fact=
> that tk is invalid as an initial cluster is relevant here or this<= br>> would be a lujvo form.)
>
>> 4) campana (champagne)
>> English/French: champag= ne
>> Chinese Mandarin: xi=C4=81ngb=C4=ABn
>> Hindi: =C5= =9Baimp=C4=93na
>> Spanish: champa=C3=B1a
>
> Looks pr= etty good, although I'd do what worked for cognac and make it
> campaina instead; the <gn> is supposed to be palatal, IIRC.
&= gt;
>
>
>

<= br>

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'= o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do= zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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