Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:55:01 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PL3d8-0003n9-Tp; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:54:39 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:53:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PL3cN-0003n3-MR for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:53:51 -0800 Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com ([74.125.82.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PL3cK-0003FV-12 for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:53:51 -0800 Received: by wwb24 with SMTP id 24so314045wwb.10 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:53:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=U6LXjOZ4dSysbOtEXl/MkTUJpKdDIfK4akz1ZNZtV/k=; b=rgyCjeR5XVFvSfMLxr0J1i1IqezkLozQBzQndBJ1NibiXJEXnp9zMJ/2/HLZW8f62C EoR92uimhSmMQC6X9QgnYPcyv0GGhEkv+PEEMcuTvR02W8oJZo4KL6CO3sc/RLRuAtYe APbGefRS3W4Sju3nOWOfsycB0vXzI3h/lXHwI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=B8z3jYxA+ZnQzcETt2sM+XEWUbgUD2dhaza25/zCh8IHfKDWPfdR7CFhkWn9Tf73jl dqY8s2Mea3Rq/vk6ckLUmSIZn1zJp9xBGEblostbC1x9SqZ2x7lhb9Dxubod1LbyTZzo EyUciNpNVX21zhSZ/fbMd5MogHkt5x+GZZXE8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.143.18 with SMTP id s18mr8633325wbu.112.1290560020816; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:53:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.138.16 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:53:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <770898.27481.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20101123224830.GV8367@nvg.org> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:53:40 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: fu'ivla for liquors From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1001 Lines: 27 On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Craig Daniel wrote: > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: >> >> {uiski} is not a valid lujvo because *-ui- doesn't have rafsi form. So {uiski} is in fact a well-formed type 4 fu'ivla. > > The first sentence there is true, obviously. The fu'ivla appears to > nonetheless fail a sort of backwards slinku'i test, in that ".uiski > kabri" falls apart into ".ui skikabri," and "skikabri" is a valid > lujvo. "uiski kabri" is not "ui skikabri" just like "daski kabri" is not "da skikabri". In "uiski kabri" or "daski kabri", the stress on the first syllable tells you that you have a brivla uiski/daski. If you want the cmavo ui/da, and you want to stress it, then you need to pause after it if the next word is a brivla that can lose its first syllable (like "skikabri") or else it will grab it. So "uiski" is fine, just like "daski". And it has also been in jbovlaste for quite a while. mu'o mi'e xorxes