Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RFC_ABUSE_POST,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:12:10 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PLIsg-00026n-MF; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:11:42 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:10:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PLIrn-00026f-Q3 for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:10:47 -0800 Received: from nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([98.139.53.192]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PLIrk-00026D-Jl for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:10:47 -0800 Received: from [98.139.52.197] by nm9.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2010 17:10:38 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.161] by tm10.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2010 17:10:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1044.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2010 17:10:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 660955.27151.bm@omp1044.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 41951 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Nov 2010 17:03:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1290618238; bh=xYAwbRn+DOXhU/Km/SRbTPVW9hhU+UCznKbeuq9HG/8=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xIqnddfrozitqYiHzpCXMNlJ3vPxROCRFToSRMIe2+hWDHraWgkEFa7Iywf1CYAqk3D5aFSS/hTmN5vaP1sjtuN4vg4KNcKh9pqOOcuB9MNvt0hlVQIIrIqldNLyM2kcn/r14gs6sDmNjpXRVn7dsT5PpLKZH7DOF9UbYKnToak= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2IiPrTvNy7kjSAYiIoRI8wDvRLFFprvHthNWeGupjjy8JGE6Hasfbrm8JUyg6dcWqAIXZLEJaeHSlGZtsagyuh8tOjygkkTMQXPYHLtrNqvfXbGk8ejugbR00xz9duZitJa9DHVTIX48mc3k/X2cG6hvxN4B/jNLHF/91SMOj0Y=; Message-ID: <29879.39617.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: QW9JtEMVM1mKxs1gkm_LcULboXfuIwbi_DDtf_SqNcN8ZZx LJaqRcG47zp.7i757O8agqG3GgJhO5XHNzdZu7qeXrihb6drYZy5.XdkSxz6 M5XejWktJ7qyyXIYVwMsYYUPDv2HXtwVxrumef7z.ZT.jBkXJyu1giiHZCn9 tqz_.cd2GpW7bRs.cgT911o.d8wFhqSJZNTNvtf3R6G.82oxVb8e2IO__.HT 25a1Qsd5xFABJ1_XJIGPX2t0tyHsDdod2Y06ygIxwaCgB4zTjLTj4GACX8_H 1 Received: from [99.240.58.72] by web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:03:57 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <770898.27481.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <201011232247.21133.phma@phma.optus.nu> <956656.46566.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20101124151934.GA12462@alice.local> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:03:57 -0800 (PST) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: fu'ivla for liquors To: jbovlaste@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <20101124151934.GA12462@alice.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 657 Lines: 25 > > > > > > > > 1) koinka (cognac) > > > > > > > Which brings up the issue of what exactly 'cognac' and 'champagne' mean. > > Strictly speaking, cognacs and champagnes come from very specific areas in > > France.  If they don't, then they are brandies and sparkling wines. > > > > However, in most countries, colloquially (wine) brandy and sparkling wine > > ARE referred to as 'cognac' and 'champagne'.  My view nonetheless is that we > > should stick to the strict definition, but I'm open to arguement. > > > > Opinions? > > > > I broadly agree that we should stick to the strict definitions.  So {fonvanju} for 'sparkling wines'? totus