Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RFC_ABUSE_POST,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 06:25:08 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PLzEA-0007bn-Lo; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 06:24:42 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Fri, 26 Nov 2010 06:23:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PLzDJ-0007bf-HR for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 06:23:49 -0800 Received: from nm23.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([98.139.52.220]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PLzDG-0007NU-84 for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 06:23:49 -0800 Received: from [98.139.52.197] by nm23.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2010 14:23:40 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.161] by tm10.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2010 14:23:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1044.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2010 14:23:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 78237.53984.bm@omp1044.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 6780 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2010 14:23:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1290781419; bh=eFi+UtTwcpVUl4od4S0NeqeNHM7mzWj3kW75m+y8Wjo=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DlBbmkbG59h0DikeLxFJ1IeW/bnbBMTUxFoJ3jTpX9X/mx3xw+UH4usvKimVqpvbx3kQwbiiUS6CWaPMVwwuA4PHV8dI7OEYemr88Th3lp2cG9GWpj3KzpTOLEdHOH677Vec9G5H8zpiUUNfjoYeXbJT0h15VQO13jEgUCI77Rs= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5AwkBLIiMD2VISuRJkP5+tf6naPHDfRxpqO3DrIuM/2PNv9+uqHcZWimnHUFj1iZwGi/X3e3lF+c/7IskcM3vXK4gnN2kpR0w+NF1/TWVGhV7o78iKfGF9ylupiQI6SVCzrC1r1skrvznPhp+RMByfx90F+GhPp6R7CCW9vX4+0=; Message-ID: <959068.5866.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: RFDwFzQVM1kwhcC9VyYwApCcavQ5dFqgBzmR.5_qDOY_5Vs JrwZ69blY_ee4dD13dLF3tZu0w0QH.6CLUY3qTctmrYDwPO6_kX4LOsHpKBo g7Ifod.NsPnMacCaplN8w6R8awmp_ib9dtD5YSTUvtFHq0zAZYGuJAwJCEvi R1M_avXuH_d06RuWGff3OPOmFBEjj8VAsz__hyGZI5Dky5V9Qod0Y1S.nGPT J0.eaF3RjYBOM4sHDHnOrtp2snYY5vFGTtmFIf47VTWeP6KbwrPdO3euN6R. YeiYOmu4YJQhDSRbtgPKU4sEdRT2hB7Lw9rZlvPoL.umH2FFfe1TUrbaOFxy FrcFojBo- Received: from [99.240.58.72] by web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 06:23:39 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <399774.23982.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <201011241940.53956.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 06:23:39 -0800 (PST) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 15 To: jbovlaste@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1085 Lines: 34 > On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Wednesday 24 November 2010 17:33:41 Jorge Llambías wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > >> > carcylai (cartload) > >> > > >> > x1=k1 is x2=k2 cartloads (default: one) each of size x3 > >> > >> My attempt at a Lojban definition would be something like: > >> > >> "ko'a klani ko'e lo ckilu be lo nu ko'a se carce lo xo kau da" > >> > >> I'm not sure about the "size x3".  Is it "lo barda", "lo cmalu"? Or > >> "lo ka barda", "lo ka cmalu"? And where did it come from? > > > > I think x3 is the size of the cart, so: > > ko'a klani ko'e lo ckilu be lo nu ko'a se carce lo xo kau da poi ko'i nilbra > > ke'a > > But what do we use for ko'i? "lo cmalu cu nilbra" seems wrong. Is "lo > ka cmalu cu nilbra" right? > How would the answer to your question effect my proposed definition (i.e. how would you redefine it)? Also, what is x2?.  In {klani} 'measured by' to me means 'the person doing the measuring' - which doesn't seem very useful. totus