Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 07:39:36 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PQM6o-0000af-DU; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 07:39:10 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Wed, 08 Dec 2010 07:38:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PQM5q-0000a4-R4 for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 07:38:10 -0800 Received: from mail-iw0-f178.google.com ([209.85.214.178]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PQM5l-0000Qe-8E for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 07:38:10 -0800 Received: by iwn1 with SMTP id 1so1897627iwn.23 for ; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 07:38:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tajnTC3djt/Y5Ig5W/8XJQIxBKhbK7Z6dC5cXifcDQw=; b=kgJSlepmOZoqv9dVY8FVcPvNV9JY4iEEX1d1JCzl6iKuokhFw1IoXfEdZ1Dj8fs/8K RwFiXrxhbQyMkQaUnHjAuECDmelJN89rny2mrwZpG3fi4XTyfC2YS8XGVrhdHUUrw5Qs mxPAxzwHihDRCnuKCJvnQ+4TUaIbCcixGsK2U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=D0fNXvm6L747RpoQ/2EpxlfNUmAm/+QiC4KpQHb/rdb3Kp5swSbPFzhgBc4dB2b+SC BTAi9pTmmnWmrMDfSIGvwPHP1g/GUGZwYBgt6gg4IpHOBqAFQQLRRIHHyqsPj/bLAdQu jtTYBQwejeqVNl3PKhEZsilIXwXWArmBXZLTM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.15.75 with SMTP id j11mr9200695iba.45.1291822683922; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 07:38:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.199.206 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 07:38:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201012081028.10788.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <885332.19254.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <201012081028.10788.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 10:38:03 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: natural and human rights From: Luke Bergen To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00221534d5273023840496e7e856 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 2587 Lines: 90 --00221534d5273023840496e7e856 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Interesting use of {munje} to make it inalienable. I'm unsure about remselpo'e. My first thought when I see that word is something like "slave". What about using some form of curmi instead of ponse? lo munje cu curmi tu'a mi poi remna On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Wednesday 08 December 2010 10:12:20 A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > > coi ro do > > > > Please comment: > > > > 1) mujyselpo'e > > > > p2 is a natural/inalienable right possessed by p1 > > > > from: > > p2 se ponse p1 lo munje > > > > 2) remselpo'e > > p2 is a human right possessed by p1 > > > > from:p2 se ponse p1 lo remna > > I wouldn't use "selpo'e" for "right", as there are lots of selpo'e that > aren't > rights. I own some computers, but they aren't rights. I have the right to > own > land, but I don't own land. > > Pierre > -- > li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa > > > > --00221534d5273023840496e7e856 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting use of {munje} to make it inalienable.

I'= ;m unsure about remselpo'e. =A0My first thought when I see that word is= something like "slave". =A0What about using some form of curmi i= nstead of ponse? =A0lo munje cu curmi tu'a mi poi remna

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Pierre Abba= t <phma@phma.opt= us.nu> wrote:
On Wednesday 08 December 2010 10:12:20 A.= PIEKARSKI wrote:
> coi ro do
>
> Please comment:
>
> 1) mujyselpo'e
>
> p2 is a natural/inalienable right possessed by p1
> =A0
> from:
> p2 se ponse p1 lo munje
> =A0
> 2) remselpo'e
> =A0p2 is a human right possessed by p1
> =A0
> from:p2 se ponse p1 lo remna

I wouldn't use "selpo'e" for "right"= ;, as there are lots of selpo'e that aren't
rights. I own some computers, but they aren't rights. I have the right = to own
land, but I don't own land.

Pierre
--
li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa




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