Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RFC_ABUSE_POST,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 08:00:52 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PQMRf-0004d8-3v; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 08:00:43 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Wed, 08 Dec 2010 08:00:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PQMRB-0004cX-14 for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 08:00:13 -0800 Received: from nm29-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([98.139.52.248]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PQMR3-0004Qx-Oh for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 08:00:12 -0800 Received: from [98.139.52.189] by nm29.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2010 15:59:59 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.158] by tm2.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2010 15:59:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1041.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2010 15:59:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 821480.10413.bm@omp1041.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 53139 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2010 15:59:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1291823999; bh=++SlX1TjjADCHMwBFnkXi9XKx1Z6xMC80e3+XxmpDG0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6kdbYLekNDE0tCKfUWZylTYJ8KY2036c8VboA8NKJWYRf8xasDE54cDUH0SeP8++oFvjR1pfSt7s1jKcbJcEdpckS6UzI7IrDfPRbUE29TG5RnyHwfcCjFnYAKkJJFwpqTtNhV2ANxZm+qQtm7ky3KuN/3OV6q1mgWRgwIAxdUE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UJv/PWTMojhnfDlnmMWGBtd/cVY498RQCXSlHP0h9AGWTjs1O9SSxBGywxlOcjcnz7aT/ALWLRnOogjT6J2vLQyeHbHRfg0G5eiSUsadY/y8su+IHKHnDrCMm6/sURUwrpLvIbrmMr6Y7VnANYTyqrExp9TTMfF6kO/pvSJn0Xs=; Message-ID: <503355.50294.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: YPjestgVM1l0grcZO4sDbpaP6NQJhkAajSjpj_JAiC6t.YX fNL0TmO0k1HhTv7PoF8ATPLd8KMKR3XN4CQjJaIccC3TTQYIA6qi6Mh6Q5Yx nae3qENhY0pS8sqYF_E4SLYR0MkZGTjtnFeo4P9bvZgm7GaEQRTmRTx39y6D Zn2RT8dg_TVK.l2pPdUTNd65nhD6p4cuwmH2Aok.D2kLXsfUGnTiexTTH9uA FDTbqP7D7SU0Hw2aMGxTICbfwqRK343qNpfnUrOPOZC0vKNzBfBSf5foz_Hj PW8vSVCxP.YKNknZnyyxAOB9An2tXS12vqm_g Received: from [99.240.58.72] by web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 07:59:59 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <885332.19254.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <201012081028.10788.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 07:59:59 -0800 (PST) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: natural and human rights To: jbovlaste@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <201012081028.10788.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 579 Lines: 32 > > > > Please comment: > > > > 1) mujyselpo'e > > > > p2 is a natural/inalienable right possessed by p1 > >   > > from: > > p2 se ponse p1 lo munje > >   > > I wouldn't use "selpo'e" for "right", as there are lots of selpo'e that aren't > rights. I own some computers, but they aren't rights. I have the right to own > land, but I don't own land. > I'm not totally happy with {selpo'e} either, but we do 'possess' rights to possess certain  things as well as the things themselves. What do you think of {mujyselzi'e} and {remselzi'e}? What would you use? totus