Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RFC_ABUSE_POST,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 05:45:10 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PRPjp-0008IJ-M8; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 05:43:50 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Sat, 11 Dec 2010 05:42:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PRPiL-0008Gj-8k for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 05:42:17 -0800 Received: from nm15.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([98.139.52.212]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PRPiD-0008C2-WE for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 05:42:16 -0800 Received: from [98.139.52.195] by nm15.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2010 13:42:03 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.146] by tm8.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2010 13:42:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2010 13:42:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 478812.67510.bm@omp1029.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 16141 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2010 13:42:03 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1292074923; bh=aGq8QCSW4gs9SH2+EGDjVX9o1fZp7IAyd/LgdI4kDZ0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=p7eIW7KTBTlO8L4amggpMMtpSM8C6VKP37ZDouymiLa5ZE8O60ID5/o+WQclvT0WmW3mz+3ndrSAUaQfCwuas8w24znSF7sSqcYJlkQ/r34g0rupxdSs4FYCS/pNro3dn+JFw/O8EN7MJhdE74yHWPJCzQfKPRdJxHBzO6FPFJE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yzLQg8uNOttUq+wrj9gLkySELek1bpKmm24oC9edQIffp27LjCGv2Pqj7WeY0vZBBv/bl7Eyt+ahNRL7B4hcOxdU4iqt8kjVyunovHmVxtRLj3AJj4wJHa7K1o3XIPepIQ9VFTgmC+AWP+obvuB7ZYlgSXvJvbhZO2yRtdtO3RM=; Message-ID: <318531.78321.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 1ycpBXIVM1npA3Hl41bxNaweO..2TxOz6h6XNmQSsuLhbCe N_NHonWmMsXdXQ6eWMu3DV1JM8GaGt9rWIZ37dnmrJIMx2vshZv2rbqWGTjt BYal7OIdTVT3vPv.S5l_RNJNElNEWfumf59wb0RbNwaELD8AbJmgqPjFBc4N GwSm7lZ_UBLhodmv1KaQSsXT00l43_P44WDEZVYxQS7XQ_fqYfedP1aIjM4E 9hBQilDnaGJaJIcY3PMPLasBF9sH32HEUA.QYDcJTi91CzmdzjlFuQlKDBPU 9YfpVgPyRO1wvJ2s6fMBEtFVJwjoMc6GN9BtW8QnaHgFUknN.ZppzmyD3r9. 4YtQWLvvdsWXktY5363NMKLaPSkuNFzv6Nq3_sg-- Received: from [99.240.58.72] by web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Dec 2010 05:42:03 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <885332.19254.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <810610.45148.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 05:42:03 -0800 (PST) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: natural and human rights To: jbovlaste@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 769 Lines: 30 > > >How about this: >The dictionary definition for "right" is: >"a just claim or title, whether legal, prescriptive, or moral: You have a right >to say what you please." >So the way I see it - A right is a liberty then is given to you by a specific >"rule" (I first wanted to use {flalu} (law) but since it doesn't have to be a >legal rule, I chose {javni} which is a more general class than {flalu}). >  >jvazi'e: x1 has the right to do x2 by power of rule x3 in community/system x4 >  >from: >  >ko'a jvazi'e ko'e ko'i ko'o .ijo ko'a zifre ko'e tu'a lo javni be ko'e bei ko'o >  >Therefore, a "right" would be a {lo se jvazi'e} >  'Rights' include 'natural/inalienable rights' among others.  What rule determines what natural/inalienable we have? totus