Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:16:03 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PSkd5-00036R-Fk; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:14:23 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:13:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PSkbw-00036L-Kh for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:13:12 -0800 Received: from mail-iy0-f181.google.com ([209.85.210.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PSkbs-000368-7x for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:13:12 -0800 Received: by iyj18 with SMTP id 18so903996iyj.40 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:13:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0HceK+mnmNScGZzf+66K7kh+3z0SpZk7XJZMfzpmCrQ=; b=lxK6OVCljwgWRwK3+CEpUsE3jIndsDfWAIRbVcoRbl19il5JXRYf2IyflOEt7FruX3 08KAu+ShNo58MAcE0LuID6GKyjJxz4I/PlbH+llcRq8B0cw5DGQAwQII5bx+yGNfa++I CPHv0DWfh9Pfo+x+RN0sYAb0movW4b5740UnY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=dYT89rt0DWOtcEHf4vqAFzVXlLkztoMeY4wqt52i0eB+dptSrBlilQ6S1NoEWFDLeD A1rxeKEwQKC5Ci3rMoENc7LqqqEw7aNLIAI1qgFQZoJNzu5qd0RZvwI9ClohQJxzl2AJ whc+rqrLDQKml9HqfOKJGC4pp/5DEeL62Xxxw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.35.131 with SMTP id p3mr4315716ibd.87.1292393582142; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:13:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.19.199 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:13:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <143260.7676.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <201012141326.05329.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 01:13:02 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland nix From: Luke Bergen To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032557a2ba5fa69204976cd42e X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 6016 Lines: 181 --00032557a2ba5fa69204976cd42e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I like the idea. I've often thought that "patfu" sounds quite formal like "father" is in english. I do have one original thought though. Why are many of these gender specific? I mean, I'm sure it will be useful to say things like {doi nim} if you're trying to get someone's attention, but it seems very non-lojbanesque to not have a generic "sir" like word that doesn't imply gender. Also, weird, it looks like the mailing list is doing that thing again where people's responses are getting cut out. gejyspa, did you intend to send a reply with no text or did you answer in-line or something and I missed it? I saw the following: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Pierre Abbat > wrote: > >> > >> On Tuesday 14 December 2010 12:23:33 A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > >> > coi ro do > >> > > >> > xorxes used {nix} for 'Miss' in 'Miss Alice'. > >> > remod has entered {paf} for 'Dad' and {mam} > >> > for 'Mom/Mum' in jbovlaste. > >> > > >> > All these familar names are based on rafsi. > >> > > >> > So I propose also these rafsi-based cmevle: > >> > > >> > {nim} for Ms. > >> > {bun} for Brother > >> > {mes} for Sister > >> > {mic} for Doctor/Dr. (med) > >> > >> Sound good to me. > >> > >> > Since no rafsi are available for Mr. and Master, > >> > I propose: > >> > > >> > {nax} for Master > >> > {nan} for Mr. > >> > {ctut} for Doctor/Dr. (acad) > >> > >> Do you mean {ctuc}? {nan} is the rafsi of {snanu}, so I'd use it in > place > >> names like {nan.djordjas}. How about {naur}? What's {nax} from, besides > >> the > >> North Caucasus? > >> > >> Also I propose {rirx} and {cman} and {xas}. Lakes pose a problem for > those > >> not > >> on the dot side. > >> > >> Pierre > >> -- > >> Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. > > > > Out of curiosity, are there any people not on the Dot-Side? I know all > the > > official materials are being updated to comply with both xorlo and > Dot-Side, > > so it's probably an important question. > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu > do > > zo'o > > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > > > > > > > --00032557a2ba5fa69204976cd42e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I like the idea. =A0I've often thought that "patfu" soun= ds quite formal like "father" is in english. =A0I do have one ori= ginal thought though. =A0Why are many of these gender specific? =A0I mean, = I'm sure it will be useful to say things like {doi nim} if you're t= rying to get someone's attention, but it seems very non-lojbanesque to = not have a generic "sir" like word that doesn't imply gender.=

Also, weird, it looks like the mailing list is doing that th= ing again where people's responses are getting cut out. =A0gejyspa, did= you intend to send a reply with no text or did you answer in-line or somet= hing and I missed it?

I saw the following:

On Tu= e, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wro= te:

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday 14 December 2010 12:23:33 A. PIEKARSKI wrote:
>> > coi ro do
>> >
>> > xorxes used {nix} for 'Miss' in 'Miss Alice'.=
>> > remod has entered {paf} for 'Dad' and {mam}
>> > for 'Mom/Mum' in jbovlaste.
>> >
>> > All these familar names are based on rafsi.
>> >
>> > So I propose also these rafsi-based cmevle:
>> >
>> > {nim} for Ms.
>> > {bun} for Brother
>> > {mes} for Sister
>> > {mic} for Doctor/Dr. (med)
>>
>> Sound good to me.
>>
>> > Since no rafsi are available for Mr. and Master,
>> > I propose:
>> >
>> > {nax} for Master
>> > {nan} for Mr.
>> > {ctut} for Doctor/Dr. (acad)
>>
>> Do you mean {ctuc}? {nan} is the rafsi of {snanu}, so I'd use = it in place
>> names like {nan.djordjas}. How about {naur}? What's {nax} from= , besides
>> the
>> North Caucasus?
>>
>> Also I propose {rirx} and {cman} and {xas}. Lakes pose a problem f= or those
>> not
>> on the dot side.
>>
>> Pierre
>> --
>> Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar= .
>
> Out of curiosity, are there any people not on the Dot-Side? I know all= the
> official materials are being updated to comply with both xorlo and Dot= -Side,
> so it's probably an important question.
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.lu= k. mi patfu do
> zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>
>




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