Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 01:28:08 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTA6t-0001bJ-Ny; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 01:26:52 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Thu, 16 Dec 2010 01:25:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTA5Q-0001aq-Jd for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 01:25:21 -0800 Received: from mail-qw0-f53.google.com ([209.85.216.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTA55-0001ZU-ND for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 01:25:11 -0800 Received: by qwe5 with SMTP id 5so3278957qwe.40 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 01:24:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=LttOWZUkPvMcczztTGqJdyJqPt8wsHK/kseiPo1/p38=; b=M8HOhUCzj8xyA4xKSuUGPqgIgepX4J9pkVE5rZ+OEtwxE4/i1YQxtmvIpPaYOOYiAy oSIQBwBD7kfcfSX5E3d5067fZ8MHIW9rqgNMmp1WPtXklattE1f8yYWnqZjUOtPQJbmk SbzT6xyiKKI7gl28iOOpEKnpTy1a3BFhJAsqo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=QUwBWeMWbObWS/Wgr3utjqQmdppD7Yxymlub4X/i0bgoH5OJ6ROgZmBW2NvSFTRCRk hWLZc3lAZFCTa26nORO2ghtcMEm6B7xcJkdxw71/d0Yga1eVk95TYAdgsb+Osk6fNRQW rTOkhcsQow9mV3NMnE9qyAUg3peEdpM2LflKM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.236.193 with SMTP id kl1mr1606033qcb.114.1292491493240; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 01:24:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.48.14 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 01:24:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <143260.7676.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <201012141326.05329.phma@phma.optus.nu> <758400.4191.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <821066.98318.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:24:53 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland nix From: "Aviv S." To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64ca45a547203049783a024 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: seraviv@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 5713 Lines: 153 --0016e64ca45a547203049783a024 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 {nanl} could also work. Maybe it's best for the long run rule (assuming any consonant pair can be properly pronounced at the end of a word). Like I said, I think it's more important to decide on a rigid rule than try to maintain some apparent symmetry (that obviously wasn't very apparent to anyone here). I believe there are more titles than what has been up-to-now presented, and their number can keep growing in the future as titles evolve, so you can't rely on symmetry to always be available. Some more titles: "sir/madam" - perhaps {nol} (or {nolnim} and {nolnaun} if you want gender specifics) "judge" - {paip} "captain" - {ja'aj} etc... On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > I have no problem with syllabic "L", so don't mind "nanl". > --gejyspa > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:18 PM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > > > >>I see. > >>I still think {nax} is a confusing choice given its rafsi association. > >>I think, given the lack of a short rafsi for {nanla} we could resort to: > >>{nanlal}. > > > > If we use {naun} for 'Mr.' then we can use {naux} for > > Master. Symmetry preserved! > > > > totus > > > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > So I propose also these rafsi-based cmevle: > >>>> > > >>>> > {nim} for Ms. > >>> > >>>> > Since no rafsi are available for Mr. and Master, > >>>> > I propose: > >>>> > > >>>> > {nax} for Master > >>>> > {nan} for Mr. > >>> > >>> > >>>How about {naur}? What's {nax} from, besides the > >>>> North Caucasus? > >>>> > >>> > >>>The reason I chose {nax} and {nan} was to provide some > >>>symmetry - although I don't feel that strongly about it. > >>> > >>>.nix. (Miss) > >>>.nax. (Master) > >>>.nan. (Mister) > >>>.nim.(Ms) > >>>Aviv, the meaning of 'Master' here is the male counterpart of 'Miss'. > >>>Not much used in English these days, but it is used in other > >>>languages. > >>> > >>>Using short rafsi as a base was a fine idea, but we can't stick to it > >>>too religiously. {nanla} doesn't have a short rafsi, so {nax} was an > >>>obvious choice. > >>> > >>>totus > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --0016e64ca45a547203049783a024 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
{nanl} could also work. Maybe it's best for the l= ong run rule (assuming any consonant pair can be properly pronounced at the= end of a word).
=A0
Like I said, I think it's more important to decide on a rigid rule= than try to maintain some apparent symmetry (that obviously wasn't ver= y=A0apparent to anyone here).
=A0
I believe there are more titles than what has been up-to-now presented= , and their number can keep growing in the future as titles evolve, so you = can't rely on symmetry to always be available.
=A0
Some more titles:
"sir/madam" - perhaps {nol} (or {nolnim} and {nolnaun} if yo= u want gender specifics)
"judge" - {paip}
"captain" - {ja'aj}
etc...

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Michael Turnian= sky <mturnian= sky@gmail.com> wrote:
I have no problem with syllabic = "L", so don't mind "nanl".
=A0 =A0--gejyspa


On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:18 PM, A. PIEKARSKI <= ;totus@rogers.com> wrote:
>= ;
>>I see.
>>I still think {nax} is a confusing choice gi= ven its rafsi association.
>>I think, given the lack of a short rafsi for {nanla} we could resor= t to:
>>{nanlal}.
>
> If we use {naun} for 'Mr.= 9;=A0then we=A0can use {naux} for
> Master.=A0 Symmetry preserved!>
> totus
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> = > So I propose also these rafsi-based cmevle:
>>>> >>>>> > {nim} for Ms.
>>>
>>>> &= gt; Since no rafsi are available for Mr. and Master,
>>>> > I propose:
>>>> >
>>>&g= t; > {nax} for Master
>>>> > {nan} for Mr.
>>= >
>>>
>>>How about {naur}? What's {nax} from= , besides the
>>>> North Caucasus?
>>>>
>>>
>= ;>>The reason I chose {nax} and {nan} was to provide some
>>= >symmetry - although I don't feel that strongly about it.
>>= ;>
>>>.nix. (Miss)
>>>.nax. (Master)
>>>.nan.= (Mister)
>>>.nim.(Ms)
>>>Aviv, the meaning of '= ;Master' here is the male counterpart of 'Miss'.
>>>= ;Not much used in English these days, but it is used in other
>>>languages.
>>>
>>>Using short rafsi as = a base was a fine idea, but we can't stick to it
>>>too rel= igiously.=A0 {nanla} doesn't have a short rafsi, so {nax} was an
>= ;>>obvious choice.
>>>
>>>totus
>>>
>>>
>&g= t;>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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