Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:25:26 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTcBF-0007Ar-Iu; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:25:13 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTcAt-0007AF-69 for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:24:51 -0800 Received: from mail-px0-f176.google.com ([209.85.212.176]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTcAn-0006yr-K0 for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:24:50 -0800 Received: by pxi11 with SMTP id 11so162778pxi.7 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:24:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.174.12 with SMTP id w12mr773952wfe.14.1292599480215; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:24:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (c-68-35-167-179.hsd1.nm.comcast.net [68.35.167.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e14sm518132wfg.20.2010.12.17.07.24.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:24:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 08:24:36 -0700 From: ".alyn.post." To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Cc: Jorge =?iso-8859-1?Q?Llamb=EDas?= Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: defining "debug" Message-ID: <20101217152435.GG32499@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: jbovlaste@lojban.org, Jorge =?iso-8859-1?Q?Llamb=EDas?= References: <20101217133000.GA32499@alice.local> <20101217143527.GE32499@alice.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1400 Lines: 36 On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 04:02:39PM +0100, Remo Dentato wrote: > In lojban, I would expect to have a way to indicate I'm "looking for > errors/flaw" so I would read {cfisisku} as "proof-read" or "testing" > or even "debugging" depending on the context. > > I would be in favour of assigning the generic meaning to the lujvo > {cfisisku} and add the context around it, It would seem arbitrary, to > me, to restrict it to "computer debugging". > I agree, and I've neither sufficiently created nor seen from anyone else a compelling reason to restrict the definition of cfisisku to computers. I withdraw that suggestion and replace it by defining the x2 place to be testing/proofreading. I like the suggestion created with Alaric that cfisisku is more closely defined as testing rather than debugging. We can then use Oren's suggestion to come at the idea of editing or fixing, and like we're doing for cfisisku here, have a generic concept that covers the idea applied to the written word or computer code. There is the definition cusku'i to cover the idea of editing. xorxes, "cusku'i" is your definition: Would you give your opinion as to how (if at all) editing a written work and fixing a computer program can be expressed as the same generic concept? Do you like "cusku'i" better than a lujvo constructed out of try+change/alter to express "edit"? -Alan -- .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi