Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:27:32 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTcCq-0000GG-Dt; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:26:52 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:26:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTcCY-0000FS-8p for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:26:34 -0800 Received: from love.warhead.org.uk ([91.209.244.44] helo=fear.warhead.org.uk) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTcCP-00005P-7V for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:26:34 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fear.warhead.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9691363750 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:26:23 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at warhead.org.uk Received: from fear.warhead.org.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (fear.love.warhead.org.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id RAR5A9O9QM6c for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:26:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay.warhead.org.uk (fear-int [192.168.3.1]) by fear.warhead.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C45636FC for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:26:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.145.128] ([79.135.115.242]) by relay.warhead.org.uk with ESMTPA (msad) id alaric.0.1292599542.19; 2010-12-17 15:25:42.191227 X-Hashcash: 1:20:101217:jbovlaste@lojban.org::Ilgkgbhy:230523 Message-ID: <4D0B80F5.4090407@snell-pym.org.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:25:41 +0000 From: Alaric Snell-Pym User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; NetBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100520 Lightning/1.0b2pre Shredder/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: defining "debug" References: <20101217133000.GA32499@alice.local> <20101217142814.GC32499@alice.local> <4D0B7A8D.5060708@snell-pym.org.uk> <20101217151142.GF32499@alice.local> In-Reply-To: <20101217151142.GF32499@alice.local> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: alaric@snell-pym.org.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 798 Lines: 30 On 12/17/10 15:11, .alyn.post. wrote: > Do we have several notions here, with cfisisku (or some variant) > expressing the idea of a QA/tester and I like {cfisisku} for QA/testing: > {(rafsi "troci" *)} > expressing the idea of debugging/diagnosis? Can you make a better > suggestion? /me gets out his tanru tweezers I think the notion of 'cause' is key here. The experimental-method implication of {troci} is, I think, just one way of approaching fault diagnosis, although it is an important one, but I wonder if {rinka} is more important. {cfiri'asisku} - "flaw-causer seeking"? There's a nice symmetry there; one flaw-seeks, then flaw-cause-seeks (then {cikre}s the software... or {ciksi}s it away as a feature ;-). > -Alan ABS -- Alaric Snell-Pym http://www.snell-pym.org.uk/alaric/