Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:33:06 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTcIa-0005Cs-4Y; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:32:48 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:32:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTcIC-0005C6-NP for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:32:24 -0800 Received: from mail-pv0-f181.google.com ([74.125.83.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTcI7-0004zT-7F for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:32:24 -0800 Received: by pvg12 with SMTP id 12so202914pvg.40 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:32:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.156.17 with SMTP id d17mr724525wfe.415.1292599933647; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:32:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunflowerriver.org (c-68-35-167-179.hsd1.nm.comcast.net [68.35.167.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v19sm535975wfh.12.2010.12.17.07.32.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:32:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 08:32:08 -0700 From: ".alyn.post." To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: defining "debug" Message-ID: <20101217153208.GH32499@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: jbovlaste@lojban.org References: <20101217133000.GA32499@alice.local> <20101217142814.GC32499@alice.local> <4D0B7A8D.5060708@snell-pym.org.uk> <20101217151142.GF32499@alice.local> <4D0B80F5.4090407@snell-pym.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D0B80F5.4090407@snell-pym.org.uk> X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 904 Lines: 32 On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 03:25:41PM +0000, Alaric Snell-Pym wrote: > On 12/17/10 15:11, .alyn.post. wrote: > > > Do we have several notions here, with cfisisku (or some variant) > > expressing the idea of a QA/tester and > > I like {cfisisku} for QA/testing: > > > {(rafsi "troci" *)} > > expressing the idea of debugging/diagnosis? Can you make a better > > suggestion? > > /me gets out his tanru tweezers > > I think the notion of 'cause' is key here. The experimental-method > implication of {troci} is, I think, just one way of approaching fault > diagnosis, although it is an important one, but I wonder if {rinka} is > more important. {cfiri'asisku} - "flaw-causer seeking"? There's a nice > symmetry there; one flaw-seeks, then flaw-cause-seeks (then {cikre}s the > software... or {ciksi}s it away as a feature ;-). > > > -Alan > I like that. +1. -Alan -- .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi