Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:39:33 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTkp7-00028O-Im; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:38:57 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:37:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTkoB-00028H-Ec for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:37:59 -0800 Received: from mail-iy0-f181.google.com ([209.85.210.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTko5-00027y-Dg for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:37:59 -0800 Received: by iyj18 with SMTP id 18so1041444iyj.40 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:37:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0+i3L0Y4nGWDRT7aaJJtPRx2vR/glSHeVNZJ/JHaswA=; b=q3yBMbpiHOyfQ0iSK4j1S29kcLXLdl79aiwhbqp3ejefph9QeCvR+fpJF99mFA6mkY 61JwCaq6VvLuzDeA0XzgcvostWHfFtLEeR6120ZYnVbuONz+P2GXNVzLIgkkzcEOLluA u6yEhkSk6ps85oKhP8IEdevBymeSewKECiSMw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=LWPpJzoTgNJgFweAhlW+FqzVBwHGrb8QiuXg52acx2RilLi+xN2yqNFXrNF90btj7z mk0Tak9h/W583VjPh95eLBowz9WQJe3njATPUK7shJcWs/xjB6FUtJFokYq2orqxqeu2 C01/UvFfXingFl38BwkJkRl52pJAuDTvlw9CE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.12.8 with SMTP id v8mr1397841ibv.147.1292632667399; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:37:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.206.146 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:37:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101217210634.GD33333@alice.local> References: <20101217133000.GA32499@alice.local> <20101217203416.GB33333@alice.local> <20101217210634.GD33333@alice.local> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:37:47 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: defining "debug" From: Jonathan Jones To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0022152d7f8df726f60497a47ec5 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 10220 Lines: 199 --0022152d7f8df726f60497a47ec5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:06 PM, .alyn.post. wrote: > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 09:49:02PM +0100, Remo Dentato wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Jonathan Jones > wrote: > > > I'd go with (amended): > > > > > > "s1 searches for flaw(s) s2/c1 in s3/c2 causing c3" > > > > > > {lo cfisisku} is merely an agent that searches for imperfections - a > > > mechanic is a {lo karce cfisisku}, for instance.> > > > > So, could it also be used for "diagnose"? I would like that! > > > > That's really compelling. I wonder if one would diagnose without > necessarily looking for a flaw? > > Jumping over to wikipedia gives me "Diagnosis is the identification of th= e > nature and cause of anything." (Which doesn't fit so well) but later > says "diagnosis is typically used to determine the causes of symptoms, > mitigations for problems, and solutions to issues." > > I have a cat on my lap, preventing me from getting my OED, which > would of course be much clearer and authoritative on the breadth by > which people use the English word diagnose. > > Recall an earlier part of this thread where Alaric suggested it > would be useful to separate testing/investigation from fixing. That > affects where we would put diagnosis in this concept space. > > -Alan > -- > .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi > dictionary.com lists the following for "diagnose": =96verb (used with object) 1. to determine the identity of (a disease, illness, etc.) by a Medical examination: The doctor diagnosed the illness as influenza. 2. to ascertain the cause or nature of (a disorder, malfunction, problem, etc.) from the symptoms: The mechanic diagnosed the trouble that caused the engine knock. 3. to classify or determine on the basis of scientific examination. (2) seems to me to be equivalent to my (amended) definition for {cfisisku}. --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --0022152d7f8df726f60497a47ec5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:06 PM, .alyn.post. <alyn.p= ost@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 09:49:02PM +0100,= Remo Dentato wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'd go with (amended):
> >
> > "s1 searches for flaw(s) s2/c1 in s3/c2 causing c3"
> >
> > {lo cfisisku} is merely an agent that searches for imperfections = - a
> > mechanic is a {lo karce cfisisku}, for instance.>
>
> So, could it also be used for "diagnose"? I would like that!=
>

That's really compelling. =A0I wonder if one would diagnose= without
necessarily looking for a flaw?

Jumping over to wikipedia gives me "Diagnosis is the identification of= the
nature and cause of anything." =A0(Which doesn't fit so well) but = later
says "diagnosis is typically used to determine the causes of symptoms,=
mitigations for problems, and solutions to issues."

I have a cat on my lap, preventing me from getting my OED, which
would of course be much clearer and authoritative on the breadth by
which people use the English word diagnose.

Recall an earlier part of this thread where Alaric suggested it
would be useful to separate testing/investigation from fixing. =A0That
affects where we would put diagnosis in this concept space.

-Alan
--
.i ko djuno fi le do sevzi

dictio= nary.com lists the following for "diagnose":

=96v= erb (used with = object)
1.=A0to determine the identity of (a disease, illness, etc.) by a Medical=A0examination: The = doctor di= agnosed the illness as influenza.
2.=A0to ascertain the cause or <= span style=3D"cursor: default; background-color: transparent;" id=3D"hotwor= d" name=3D"hotword">nature of (a disorder, malfunction, problem, etc.) from the symptoms: The mechanic diagnosed the trouble that caused the engine knock.
3. to classi= fy or determine on the basis of scie= ntific examination.

(2) seems= to me to be equivalent to my (amended) definition for {cfisisku}.

-= -
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bend= e pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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