Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:50:59 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTl0D-0003Bz-Mh; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:50:25 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTkzc-0003Bt-Hx for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:49:48 -0800 Received: from mail-iy0-f181.google.com ([209.85.210.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTkzW-0003BY-I0 for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:49:48 -0800 Received: by iyj18 with SMTP id 18so1047430iyj.40 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:49:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=AF/yRuE/NUyMuVIlnqxttNQjw89J1pppjS0MWiWnsRU=; b=yIVpCRrb1ozgv3pW8TaSxh+3hkfGsxTkCAfQau0ihI8kF7j8v5/LYke8wzSQ8WyTPB ZL0zGGqIE4f6obQu9yIQ3VCp2O3cCEkmWevV4KvGbqLYm92JVpPv/Y/folNbHq1G8SZR lQLHliaAerPXaqcBHIMwNcF5aUmEx1URi+M3k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=AuW7MZn+ts4isOrocIDCOSVJBWS4pYQSERtrTB3ERCF56ucRwnGWDISOpkkJin6xyc ygXlTiE6VRPsnrpuAwYMVwJ2gBUuUD5ejyExjKW7rbBXYKyNq7n+fJgEs/EQpGlPhfLg JhE9d2Y/+MqEMbUDoj+eV3W+EhYMIIyv0H9IY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.213.74 with SMTP id gv10mr1519370icb.213.1292633376428; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:49:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.206.146 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:49:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20101217133000.GA32499@alice.local> <20101217203416.GB33333@alice.local> <20101217210634.GD33333@alice.local> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:49:36 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: defining "debug" From: Jonathan Jones To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3054ac493a14560497a4a936 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 9179 Lines: 195 --20cf3054ac493a14560497a4a936 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:06 PM, .alyn.post. < > alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 09:49:02PM +0100, Remo Dentato wrote: >> > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Jonathan Jones >> wrote: >> > > I'd go with (amended): >> > > >> > > "s1 searches for flaw(s) s2/c1 in s3/c2 causing c3" >> > > >> > > {lo cfisisku} is merely an agent that searches for imperfections - a >> > > mechanic is a {lo karce cfisisku}, for instance.> >> > >> > So, could it also be used for "diagnose"? I would like that! >> > >> >> That's really compelling. I wonder if one would diagnose without >> necessarily looking for a flaw? >> >> Jumping over to wikipedia gives me "Diagnosis is the identification of t= he >> nature and cause of anything." (Which doesn't fit so well) but later >> says "diagnosis is typically used to determine the causes of symptoms, >> mitigations for problems, and solutions to issues." >> >> I have a cat on my lap, preventing me from getting my OED, which >> would of course be much clearer and authoritative on the breadth by >> which people use the English word diagnose. >> >> Recall an earlier part of this thread where Alaric suggested it >> would be useful to separate testing/investigation from fixing. That >> affects where we would put diagnosis in this concept space. >> >> -Alan >> -- >> .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi >> > > dictionary.com lists the following for "diagnose": > > =96verb (used with object) > 1. to determine the identity of (a disease, illness, etc.) by a Medical > examination: The doctor diagnosed the illness as influenza. > > 2. to ascertain the cause or nature of (a disorder, malfunction, problem, > etc.) from the symptoms: The mechanic diagnosed the trouble that caused > the engine knock. > 3. to classify or determine on the basis of scientific examination. > > (2) seems to me to be equivalent to my (amended) definition for {cfisisku= }. Oh yes, and (1) is {mikce cfisisku}. --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --20cf3054ac493a14560497a4a936 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Jonathan Jones = <eyeonus@gmail.co= m> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 17= , 2010 at 2:06 PM, .alyn.post. <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.or= g> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 09:49:02PM +0100, Remo Dentato= wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'd go with (amended):
> >
> > "s1 searches for flaw(s) s2/c1 in s3/c2 causing c3"
> >
> > {lo cfisisku} is merely an agent that searches for imperfections = - a
> > mechanic is a {lo karce cfisisku}, for instance.>
>
> So, could it also be used for "diagnose"? I would like that!=
>

That's really compelling. =A0I wonder if one would diagnose= without
necessarily looking for a flaw?

Jumping over to wikipedia gives me "Diagnosis is the identification of= the
nature and cause of anything." =A0(Which doesn't fit so well) but = later
says "diagnosis is typically used to determine the causes of symptoms,=
mitigations for problems, and solutions to issues."

I have a cat on my lap, preventing me from getting my OED, which
would of course be much clearer and authoritative on the breadth by
which people use the English word diagnose.

Recall an earlier part of this thread where Alaric suggested it
would be useful to separate testing/investigation from fixing. =A0That
affects where we would put diagnosis in this concept space.

-Alan
--
.i ko djuno fi le do sevzi

dictionary.com lists the following for "di= agnose":

=96verb (used with object)=
1.=A0to determine the identity of (a disease, illness, etc.) by a Medical=A0examination: The doctor diagnosed = the illness as influenza.
2.=A0to ascertain the cause or nature of (a disorder, malfunction, probl= em, = etc.) from the<= /span> symp= toms: The mechanic diagnosed the trouble that caused the engine knock.
3. to classify or determine on the basis of scientific examination.

(2) seems to me to be eq= uivalent to my (amended) definition for {cfisisku}.

Oh yes, and (1) is {mikce cfisisku}.

--
mu'o mi= 'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk= . mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D= )

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