Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:07:18 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTdlb-00055U-8p; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:06:51 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:06:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTdl5-00054t-2a for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:06:19 -0800 Received: from mail-iw0-f181.google.com ([209.85.214.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PTdkz-000517-9B for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:06:18 -0800 Received: by iwn3 with SMTP id 3so1212807iwn.40 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:06:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oWEuU6bsQr9lMUBbf5KmTMBl5c7F41LRHedx4d9N4Jo=; b=eckGmtel7u6YDg8H88uWT2YDhaUmc4boxyGl/B73iAGIzYwFt8r7p0Y+qIgGoNMyga FyjC3esQfey+2pVT8YkiMWP/Uqlk8r5lhbkafYavksP9D7TS6f5nt3tSOLSV03wzfgEh LqZsFzsYDzcuLX52Xidx2YutFdE+Hb+pHw+kc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=PBnNnfuUVba0i7mWeyQ1ymp53yR8pwXCTiGVYRdYjCzqNahjh7e/8pZmm+7gYQkq5p 0b1eoEg0w+vvqzk2DUhK20aWppmvVQPOH9wlxovw61gD3/h6z40ysdZGW7qe5B+vmVDo tQBMc3XsvfTsGJ/hNsFD6mu6ZvuKjk2lkLirY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.32.76 with SMTP id b12mr971174ibd.162.1292605572509; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:06:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.19.199 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:06:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101217161949.GI32499@alice.local> References: <20101217161949.GI32499@alice.local> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:06:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: defining "debug" From: Luke Bergen To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0022152d6f61fbf22004979e2f6b X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 5296 Lines: 134 --0022152d6f61fbf22004979e2f6b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I wasn't raging on you specifically or anything. It's just a pattern that I've noticed in general that puts a bad taste in my mouth. So no worries. Oops, my bad. lo'ai cfalu sa'ai cfila le'ai Also, I'm on the fence as to whether {lo te cfila} should be appended to the end of my definition. lo sisku cu sisku lo cfila ne'i lo te sisku ku ja'e lo te cfila I'm pretty sure that's a terrible use of {ne'i} but I'm not sure which tag would work best for "in/amongst" in this case. On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 11:19 AM, .alyn.post. < alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:43:01AM -0500, Luke Bergen wrote: > > But again it's sampla specific. Maybe cfisisku is a more generic word > than > > any one word that we have in english. Maybe it's gloss is just "fault > > find". > > > > One of my biggest pet peeves with the apparent process for defining > lujvo > > in the community is this mindset of "ok what would the english gloss > for > > that be? Can't think of one? Ok, must be a bad word. Let's shoehorn he > > definition into something else so we can have a nice english gloss. > > > > I propose: cfisisku = lo sisku cu sisku lo cfalu lo te sisku > > > > However you want to define that in english is fine with me. > > .i ki'a zo cfalu .i ma valsi > .i .uinai mi na djica lo nu glico tamgau > .i mi retsku je cipcta > .i mi na ca djica lo pa nu danfu .i lo mi ba danfu cu balvi > .i e'o ko kucli > > Triggering pet peeve was most certainly not my intend, I did not > perceive that as happening here and I'm very sorry to have created > that impression. I'm interested in exploring this definition space > and asking questions, in order to best understand it before providing > answers. I'm most certainly in agreement with you that we do not > need English concepts for Lojbanic words. I did not intend my > asking for one to imply that there needed to be a singtle word--I'm > very (very) new at defining Lojban words, and I'm more than happy to > have guidance. > > Thank you for your suggestion for cfisisku. > > .i mu'o mi'e .alyn. > -- > .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi > > > > --0022152d6f61fbf22004979e2f6b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wasn't raging on you specifically or anything. =A0It's just a pat= tern that I've noticed in general that puts a bad taste in my mouth. = =A0So no worries. =A0

Oops, my bad. =A0lo'ai cfalu s= a'ai cfila le'ai

Also, I'm on the fence as to whether {lo te cfila} = should be appended to the end of my definition.

lo= sisku cu sisku lo cfila ne'i lo te sisku ku ja'e lo te cfila

I'm pretty sure that's a terrible use of {ne= 9;i} but I'm not sure which tag would work best for "in/amongst&qu= ot; in this case.

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at= 11:19 AM, .alyn.post. <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
On Fri, D= ec 17, 2010 at 10:43:01AM -0500, Luke Bergen wrote:
> =A0 =A0But again it's sampla specific. Maybe cfisisku is a more ge= neric word than
> =A0 =A0any one word that we have in english. Maybe it's gloss is j= ust "fault
> =A0 =A0find".
>
> =A0 =A0One of my biggest pet peeves with the apparent process for defi= ning lujvo
> =A0 =A0in the community is this mindset of "ok what would the eng= lish gloss for
> =A0 =A0that be? Can't think of one? Ok, must be a bad word. Let= 9;s shoehorn he
> =A0 =A0definition into something else so we can have a nice english gl= oss.
>
> =A0 =A0I propose: cfisisku =3D lo sisku cu sisku lo cfalu lo te sisku<= br> >
> =A0 =A0However you want to define that in english is fine with me.

.i ki'a zo cfalu .i ma valsi
.i .uinai mi na djica lo nu glico tamgau
.i mi retsku je cipcta
.i mi na ca djica lo pa nu danfu .i lo mi ba danfu cu balvi
.i e'o ko kucli

Triggering pet peeve was most certainly not my intend, I did not
perceive that as happening here and I'm very sorry to have created
that impression. =A0I'm interested in exploring this definition space and asking questions, in order to best understand it before providing
answers. =A0I'm most certainly in agreement with you that we do not
need English concepts for Lojbanic words. =A0I did not intend my
asking for one to imply that there needed to be a singtle word--I'm
very (very) new at defining Lojban words, and I'm more than happy to have guidance.

Thank you for your suggestion for cfisisku.

.i mu'o mi'e .alyn.
--
.i ko djuno fi le do sevzi




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