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Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: defining "debug"
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On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 11:19 AM, .alyn.post.
<alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:43:01AM -0500, Luke Bergen wrote:
>>    But again it's sampla specific. Maybe cfisisku is a more generic word than
>>    any one word that we have in english. Maybe it's gloss is just "fault
>>    find".
>>
>>    One of my biggest pet peeves with the apparent process for defining lujvo
>>    in the community is this mindset of "ok what would the english gloss for
>>    that be? Can't think of one? Ok, must be a bad word. Let's shoehorn he
>>    definition into something else so we can have a nice english gloss.
>>
>>    I propose: cfisisku = lo sisku cu sisku lo cfalu lo te sisku
>>
>>    However you want to define that in english is fine with me.
>
> .i ki'a zo cfalu .i ma valsi
> .i .uinai mi na djica lo nu glico tamgau
> .i mi retsku je cipcta
> .i mi na ca djica lo pa nu danfu .i lo mi ba danfu cu balvi
> .i e'o ko kucli
>
> Triggering pet peeve was most certainly not my intend, I did not
> perceive that as happening here and I'm very sorry to have created
> that impression.  I'm interested in exploring this definition space
> and asking questions, in order to best understand it before providing
> answers.  I'm most certainly in agreement with you that we do not
> need English concepts for Lojbanic words.  I did not intend my
> asking for one to imply that there needed to be a singtle word--I'm
> very (very) new at defining Lojban words, and I'm more than happy to
> have guidance.
>
> Thank you for your suggestion for cfisisku.
>
> .i mu'o mi'e .alyn.

  There is a more basic implication though, in your original question,
alyn You imply that just because broda zei brode zei brodi describes a
useful concept and that ought to exist, that brode zei brodi
must/should also exist and describe a useful concept.  Well, I will
grant you that it will (or at least should, IMHO) be a superset of
brode zei brodi, but it doesn't mean that the superset is by itself,
useful.  (that being said, I do think that cfisisku would be a generic
"critic/Jewish mother" (Hey!  Who typed that last part??))
          --gejyspa