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On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 12:50:09PM -0500, Michael Turniansky wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 11:19 AM, .alyn.post.
> <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:43:01AM -0500, Luke Bergen wrote:
> >>    But again it's sampla specific. Maybe cfisisku is a more generic word than
> >>    any one word that we have in english. Maybe it's gloss is just "fault
> >>    find".
> >>
> >>    One of my biggest pet peeves with the apparent process for defining lujvo
> >>    in the community is this mindset of "ok what would the english gloss for
> >>    that be? Can't think of one? Ok, must be a bad word. Let's shoehorn he
> >>    definition into something else so we can have a nice english gloss.
> >>
> >>    I propose: cfisisku = lo sisku cu sisku lo cfalu lo te sisku
> >>
> >>    However you want to define that in english is fine with me.
> >
> > .i ki'a zo cfalu .i ma valsi
> > .i .uinai mi na djica lo nu glico tamgau
> > .i mi retsku je cipcta
> > .i mi na ca djica lo pa nu danfu .i lo mi ba danfu cu balvi
> > .i e'o ko kucli
> >
> > Triggering pet peeve was most certainly not my intend, I did not
> > perceive that as happening here and I'm very sorry to have created
> > that impression.  I'm interested in exploring this definition space
> > and asking questions, in order to best understand it before providing
> > answers.  I'm most certainly in agreement with you that we do not
> > need English concepts for Lojbanic words.  I did not intend my
> > asking for one to imply that there needed to be a singtle word--I'm
> > very (very) new at defining Lojban words, and I'm more than happy to
> > have guidance.
> >
> > Thank you for your suggestion for cfisisku.
> >
> > .i mu'o mi'e .alyn.
> 
>   There is a more basic implication though, in your original question,
> alyn You imply that just because broda zei brode zei brodi describes a
> useful concept and that ought to exist, that brode zei brodi
> must/should also exist and describe a useful concept.  Well, I will
> grant you that it will (or at least should, IMHO) be a superset of
> brode zei brodi, but it doesn't mean that the superset is by itself,
> useful.  (that being said, I do think that cfisisku would be a generic
> "critic/Jewish mother" (Hey!  Who typed that last part??))
>           --gejyspa
> 

Excellent, thank you.

-Alan
-- 
.i ko djuno fi le do sevzi