Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RFC_ABUSE_POST, SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:27:01 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PYKOV-0002Go-Jy; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:26:23 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:25:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PYKNd-0002GQ-6K for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:25:29 -0800 Received: from mail-qy0-f181.google.com ([209.85.216.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PYKNV-0002CC-1p for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:25:24 -0800 Received: by qyk12 with SMTP id 12so12432754qyk.19 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:25:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=LxgeoAn2L7fVq670FeF3XasoKzabVYksSdLwJm9eXfU=; b=XpglCpYECWgz+f2Mn1/Ma4s0t0fajpM1hiaGFsyPmPmoevAw8dxKCEOAFu/obqgNUs GhSQj0b2H+Mo5IplLJVR8Uj7jQB3YJQPaIa6qdFV4j0HCMJTocV6rNuh32dfL3t2pOHy MTzv6zDH1oOc0mapGFUAnNLgL/a/w1+fZ0seE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=TXqROfvnNMT2LOveAXFcivZwrXDM1tvgSOpqCCQJ5NBR9AIvcVmPCVKWZrTEPwYYfQ O+VBsdd1xTRfUxCphvSCfBSYmODKRKBv4GTZ1PvnNWg3uLzTAux/Rpc9TABGA8h2Opt6 jl1DPMyaZwR3pLFvzGCemsgfvhUWf2Ibn7/r0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.215.76 with SMTP id hd12mr14792375qcb.125.1293722715040; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.227.73 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:25:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <871979.97681.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <871979.97681.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:25:14 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Emperor From: Remo Dentato To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630ff89de2c6c0498a24a75 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rdentato@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 3146 Lines: 97 --00163630ff89de2c6c0498a24a75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Considering that jbovlaste has {sorgugje'a} for "empire" and in the translation {lo jirnyde'i be la .uisterim.} ( http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=751) I translated "emperor" with {sorgu'etru} at page 6.. So, if an "empire" is a "domain of many countries", an "emperor" should be a "governor of many countries". I've no particular attachment to {sorg'etru} but I feel that {balnoltru} is too restrictive, a "big kingdom" is not an empire since an empire is made by more nations (that might have different languages and cultures and even have a king that is subject to the emperor). On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:17 PM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > coi ro do > > Please comment > > t1=n1 is the emperor/empress of t2 > t1=n1 balnolraitru t2 > > Actually, I prefer {balnolrai} as emperors, like kings, > may be ceremonial only. However, the proposed > definition would be consistent with the most used > lujvo for 'king/queen' which is {nolraitru} rather > than {nolrai]. > > For comparison, jbovlaste already has: > > president: {gugja'a] > premier/prime minister: {truralju} > > totus > > > > --00163630ff89de2c6c0498a24a75 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Considering that jbovlaste has {sorgugje'a} for "empire" and = in the translation {lo jirnyde'i be la .uisterim.} (http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId= =3D751) I translated "emperor" with {sorgu'etru} at page = 6..

So, if an "empire" is a "domain of many countries",= an "emperor" should be a "governor of many countries".=

I've no particular attachment to {sorg'etru} but I feel tha= t {balnoltru} is too restrictive, a "big kingdom" is not an empir= e since an empire is made by more nations (that might have different langua= ges and cultures and even have a king that is subject to the emperor).


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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:17 = PM, A. PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com> wrote:
coi ro do

Please comment

t1=3Dn1 is=A0the emperor/empress of t2
t1=3Dn1 balnolraitru t2
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Actually, I prefer {balnolrai} as emperors, like kings,=A0
may be=A0ceremonial only.=A0 However, the proposed
definition would be consistent with the most used
lujvo for 'king/queen' which is {nolraitru} rather
than {nolrai].
=A0
For comparison, jbovlaste already has:
=A0
president: {gugja'a]
premier/prime minister: {truralju}
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totus




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