Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RFC_ABUSE_POST,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:06:53 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PYWFD-0005rX-I5; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:05:36 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:04:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PYWDp-0005rR-Vp for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:04:10 -0800 Received: from nm12-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([98.139.53.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PYWDm-0005rI-03 for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:04:09 -0800 Received: from [98.139.52.194] by nm12.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2010 04:03:59 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.167] by tm7.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2010 04:03:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1050.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2010 04:03:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 111353.57116.bm@omp1050.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 70573 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2010 04:03:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1293768238; bh=bohQ1sybPQCAVyrQbW/rGGNjisN5iP/QI7us6dzT64c=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YkIPmdQ73RRXfPSbswDomy71LFTUR5T0QfS36XFa0DbQ3ejgAoXEL8hvJtZKb2XzhbIp6/tllTonp5Y9TXgw5fC+J1BvDYAH3pseIHvJB1+oNqClNvrsTwxzWupecZZic163FxulfpuUSqqBAWloHAkv6r/mYAaeY1WuY5rJGYY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0lTeDcJoMxPLHwc6ctMGHURtJMvVZsEldfTz3pP/fTBkRwotOKIJM5+XgEN6WU0Kv46M2yBkvKf1puPoFHvlQcwKZssoRzsPZS/Ak8hX3rKHkp1UnKD9+d07aXydaZqeE/H2ziPeapbPx+IryMmwWcNUwzplKK8TiCuflo57fWo=; Message-ID: <991222.68887.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: KhXiKqAVM1nHAFkQhqk135Pjms9yLzwBy4ffYJas7yzYE0u 9JshF8Wphdcgm0gpvK22S_RuzB86L7eCZGL9tZtjgrjHAEnSCVKLVCdyOOua zUg.ZE_zu.RgQUbkQXix5hT_1ognmujQZzDcp.AZNXVxjLweIWbwpEiV1ifj 9N_qY83R5HPy_8AzRKx2.pJIIik0lPV_nlrDunoYBsKEoxmuASwWk1g_DSCG wzHiHMM5KvAK2bOzAos8qDNIFu.FNQ8hGtQFU.sXSMea1I9z0I_G1vyKWReN fa_MTt9xtt9mD.U6BrykbL0ML0jKWx0zd81NYvve9bv285CyMRtGWaW5ttCa oM1naybB7EeSHVHj73JrG.FEkHKI_k7Sn7lc3sA-- Received: from [99.240.58.72] by web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:03:58 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: <871979.97681.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <201012301329.14902.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:03:58 -0800 (PST) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Emperor To: jbovlaste@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <201012301329.14902.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 895 Lines: 22 > > On Thursday 30 December 2010 10:25:14 Remo Dentato wrote: > > I've no particular attachment to {sorg'etru} but I feel that {balnoltru} is > > too restrictive, a "big kingdom" is not an empire since an empire is made > > by more nations (that might have different languages and cultures and even > > have a king that is subject to the emperor). > > Both words are good. The Japanese Emperor cu balnoltru jenai sorgu'etru; the > government of the EU cu sorgu'etru jenai balnoltru. An emperor in one of the > ancient empires could be both. > I think we should make a distinction between an empire (one dominant state ruling a number of lesser states acquired by conquest, marriage or whatever) and a union of the EU type (several 'equal' states voluntarily bound together and governed by a mutually agreed body).  For me the latter would be {sorgugje'a} but not the former. totus