From grbounce-1SmKRQUAAADb_R2oRU4VvVPYnC2H_cF3=phma=phma.optus.nu@googlegroups.com Thu Sep 3 13:09:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: phma@localhost Delivered-To: phma@localhost Received: from chausie.ixazon.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D70E106 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 13:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: phma@phma.optus.nu Received: from 192.168.7.2 [192.168.7.2] by chausie.ixazon.lan with IMAP (fetchmail-6.3.8) for (single-drop); Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f153.google.com (mail-pz0-f153.google.com [209.85.222.153]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC67ECE742 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 13:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pzk17 with SMTP id 17so193548pzk.16 for ; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-sender:x-apparently-to :received:received:received:received-spf:received:dkim-signature :domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:sender:precedence:x-google-loop :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-unsubscribe :x-beenthere-env:x-beenthere; bh=p61/lPg9XWz7O9qrt73XPK1RTRZusX1jbfBBSwxMNYM=; b=372RZmbD/JfeQsneGIN41DSgfH3sRirEalejPqq6dq75bAvhosm65vvvPZXZIL3khC 6jes4Cft97lRks2ljT5JVOqoUCZTYb6P3A2PIG6A1uvZ/vWEIxW9Dew3IpWk9vwyenP1 EtsHyWyovw0qemQ9Q7gZxbihDgx7ktYE2Ak9w= Domainkey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-sender:x-apparently-to:received-spf:authentication-results :dkim-signature:domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:sender:precedence:x-google-loop :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-unsubscribe :x-beenthere-env:x-beenthere; b=k86bMLTe4K6OOcfWgPi0QSTPDxJDdq6Lfz4jUfbEyXb2zPnlXFiOOgukrHIj/aVqpT gP8VKBFSLCVSuQXfRPK68NcsCYse6s7i0WV89in7Uv+X8ePO3gK2QCiTse7Ju4nxT7BT rN1DzEBWPQo3Z1a1o2a2rW78ElRoemoEDrzHk= Received: by 10.142.74.15 with SMTP id w15mr737429wfa.2.1251997643942; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.107.100.3 with SMTP id c3gr14prm.0; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:07:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.183.20 with SMTP id g20mr4346840ybf.29.1251997643311; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.183.20 with SMTP id g20mr4346839ybf.29.1251997643290; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f176.google.com (mail-yx0-f176.google.com [209.85.210.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si121849yxe.9.2009.09.03.10.07.22; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of matt.mattarn@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.176; Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of matt.mattarn@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=matt.mattarn@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Received: by mail-yx0-f176.google.com with SMTP id 6so1290997yxe.32 for ; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ytUNkj5fx5wByun/lXMcwwgJ+tVJqAhPLcdJ61/BsqM=; b=SBHgjvbXchfpWtcU5XxUz4Ta3hClcvKD3vwADplRDRihUZIj6K1EAz/690J5ZfR1ST bU/s/7+tcjEibh+MhahGu5Z9WDEpGp2RH1G/keb8LnCgsklFg5/Snk1+eEbulNzf1llT sOT5R7wvdpKR6yXArzm4/qvn/WIn64L0T4mgM= Domainkey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eCv8eDAdxrr3mKzYRI7VeBdTSs9syuxs3hnMzQrVaRQt8UnTDlsZCy8liVozVPf5Ea HoHG/I/nyDAqhz8YikJYZ3G5dnAnG925e4ddlm++o2volSNRE1ibqxFi/IhWCoxgObni myqQ0YyhtOvmqBsSn0CbRSZOC2UhF3TResBXo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.235.17 with SMTP id i17mr16635734ybh.200.1251997642028; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:07:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <925d17560909030537u5261074ar2bdd3dd392aaffbb@mail.gmail.com> References: <925d17560909030537u5261074ar2bdd3dd392aaffbb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 13:07:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How many levels From: Matt Arnold To: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reply-To: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Sender: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Precedence: bulk X-Google-Loop: groups Mailing-List: list lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-lbck+owner@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: , X-Beenthere-Env: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com X-Beenthere: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com xorxes, Your plan looks acceptable to me, with a couple of qualifications. If I take level 500 and pass it, am I then called a "level 500"? What happens if we add a level 100* later? Someone who comes along later has to pay more dues than I did to get to the same level? Or would we charge me a test fee for 100* when we make it available, but I don't have to take it? Neither of those seems quite right... did you have something in mind? That should be handled delicately. However, it seems easier to make a simpler test than to make a more advanced one. Personally, I see no reason why not to start from the earliest level we consider meaningful, and obviate the above questions. :) We don't have to work on more than one or two levels at a time. We can just start at the level 100* test, and work on the next higher only when we're ready. Others, what do you think? -Matt * or whatever the earlier level may be, if not 100 2009/9/3 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Matt Arnold wrote= : >> >> I was hoping to have more tests that test smaller parts of the >> language. This has several advantages. It has to do with social >> factors about motivating the human brain. > > We probably don't need to commit to a fixed number of levels at this > point. We can start working on one test, level-X, then add a second > test, which depending on how the level-X turns out, it could be higher > or lower level, then add a third level, and so on. I agree that the > more levels the better for all the reasons you give, but we may not > have the resources to work on more than one level at a time. I would > be extremely happy if we manage to get a single level test up and > running. What we should probably do is not give the test a name that > makes it difficult to name other tests above and below it. We might > call it level-500 if we decide that 500 is the number of tested words > for the first test that we design. Then we can add a level-100 or a > level-2000 or whatever if that looks like the best next step. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes >