From grbounce-1SmKRQUAAADb_R2oRU4VvVPYnC2H_cF3=phma=phma.optus.nu@googlegroups.com Fri Sep 18 18:27:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: phma@localhost Delivered-To: phma@localhost Received: from chausie.ixazon.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684AE207E for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: phma@phma.optus.nu Received: from 192.168.7.2 [192.168.7.2] by chausie.ixazon.lan with IMAP (fetchmail-6.3.8) for (single-drop); Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f137.google.com (mail-vw0-f137.google.com [209.85.212.137]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28491CE79B for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1so2500039vws.17 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-sender:x-apparently-to :received:received:received:received-spf:received:received:from:to :subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id:reply-to:sender:precedence:x-google-loop:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-unsubscribe:x-beenthere-env :x-beenthere; bh=f+6lYz2B9oiDa8tx0OI49/xRCvJFTZYdR1zvI2+MywM=; b=OZQWzJTx3KlUsaMjEUbbt5B4HLwMadn4ULSCW8HIFo7Vxmd980tLq5VNR/mCnRRmOI F+ivFMmZl5+InYFg71vdWcVOCyncW7peoeny7knshPpFmHE8LYYjWBcsldPhUGUf+3dE JX9QtdTeRN/htaSD7rtBOMkQ+pevf9LvapTZ0= Domainkey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-sender:x-apparently-to:received-spf:authentication-results:from :to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id:reply-to:sender:precedence:x-google-loop:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-unsubscribe:x-beenthere-env :x-beenthere; b=FDJV3F8ABLo7IJfuxgb34XB0tnEY/l7Ul4mDmGYUuW1wOm/811M+xbrhuliZCRaxco J6iXh3I6wfTahw+ba249/HX2gyQVfVMGhszKzClo5+ZBWGqkeR2p+guYOv9lgNSFIJ/6 bioAa02GUUELDLhBkimi/uYK8v6NHr5rMGvgg= Received: by 10.220.68.201 with SMTP id w9mr270745vci.15.1253312706029; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.230.15.132 with SMTP id k4gr35vba.0; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:25:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Apparently-To: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.120.5 with SMTP id b5mr334447vcr.5.1253312705507; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.120.5 with SMTP id b5mr334446vcr.5.1253312705463; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 22si170016vws.6.2009.09.18.15.25.04; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090918222503824.LAZS9613@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:25:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C21A249E for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:25:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Lojban Certification Program Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:24:57 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <00c09f99e242d97fd6047299a5fa@google.com> <925d17560909021123w55db2248xb498ff9fae0bfcc1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <200909181824.59470.phma@phma.optus.nu> Reply-To: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Sender: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Precedence: bulk X-Google-Loop: groups Mailing-List: list lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-lbck+owner@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: , X-Beenthere-Env: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com X-Beenthere: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com On Friday 18 September 2009 13:30:05 Matt Arnold wrote: > I think the question is whether to use the most common 500 words, or > weight it in favor of cmavo. > > I still think 500 is too many. How many of you agree? I think we need to distinguish between words that the testee needs to know the meaning of to answer the question right, and words that he just needs to recognize the form of. For instance, here's a question: ro _____ cu smani A. cimpanzi B. tcimpanzi C. tcimpazi D. timpanzi E. ctimpanzi The testee does not need to know the word for "chimpanzee" beforehand. He does, though, need to know the meanings of "panzi" and "smani" (though he could probably guess the latter), in order to reject the assertion that all wet offspring or weather-offspring are monkeys. I think that 500 words that the testee needs to know is too many for the first level. But 500 words that he needs to recognize is not. So this question would be fine for first level: mi cpacu _____ jaspu le jansu A. lo B. pu C. goi D. do E. nai even though the testee may not know what "jaspu" and "jansu" mean. Pierre