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charset=ISO-8859-1 Reply-To: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Sender: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Precedence: bulk X-Google-Loop: groups Mailing-List: list lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-lbck+owner@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: , X-Beenthere-Env: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com X-Beenthere: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > I think we need to distinguish between words that the testee needs to know the > meaning of to answer the question right, and words that he just needs to > recognize the form of. Yes, good point. > For instance, here's a question: > > ro _____ cu smani > A. cimpanzi > B. tcimpanzi > C. tcimpazi > D. timpanzi > E. ctimpanzi > > The testee does not need to know the word for "chimpanzee" beforehand. He > does, though, need to know the meanings of "panzi" and "smani" (though he > could probably guess the latter), in order to reject the assertion that all > wet offspring or weather-offspring are monkeys. That's a good one, but for the second or third level. I wouldn't test anything concerning fu'ivla for the first level. > I think that 500 words that the testee needs to know is too many for the first > level. But 500 words that he needs to recognize is not. So this question > would be fine for first level: > > mi cpacu _____ jaspu le jansu > A. lo > B. pu > C. goi > D. do > E. nai > > even though the testee may not know what "jaspu" and "jansu" mean. I agree. As for this specific question, I would not include "nai" among the incorrect optons, just because there is a proposal to make it grammatical in that context, and we can easily offer some other incorrect option instead ("na" or "cu", for instance.) Other than that, I would say that's a fine question for the first level. mu'o mi'e xorxes