From grbounce-1SmKRQUAAADb_R2oRU4VvVPYnC2H_cF3=phma=phma.optus.nu@googlegroups.com Tue Sep 29 01:01:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: phma@localhost Delivered-To: phma@localhost Received: from chausie.ixazon.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819092B6F for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: phma@phma.optus.nu Received: from 192.168.7.2 [192.168.7.2] by chausie.ixazon.lan with IMAP (fetchmail-6.3.8) for (single-drop); Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-px0-f163.google.com (mail-px0-f163.google.com [209.85.216.163]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A13CE45A for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pxi35 with SMTP id 35so2298499pxi.10 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-sender:x-apparently-to :received:received:received:received-spf:received:received:from:to :subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id:reply-to:sender:precedence:x-google-loop:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-unsubscribe:x-beenthere-env :x-beenthere; bh=iJ5MW15H6e2p2qGcy2EoJF0skJ068bCM2eCrtGL1EjM=; b=ADwI37/lCVbtBo+YBIQzeA81UFOOwneGcxI1LD5Dn1rYt6Mr4kmmhRRdgCQurQLEte Nnyla31N7fD3sM0WZQKoFu+rkGigvUKUn3mHXpb554WZEjVR7eEwiU+4GZZhwd3bp4Pg QbvRfmZLJ4yWeKYnkCCp9hMUsWBRfkPGAbqNk= Domainkey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-sender:x-apparently-to:received-spf:authentication-results:from :to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id:reply-to:sender:precedence:x-google-loop:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-unsubscribe:x-beenthere-env :x-beenthere; b=LWcj0NH628k42wQ5kNXfBbikqgaM3D9xl4gi+NhsWpplr12DA3AJDicrCzLW6Mo4OG 9sC6YST+BG6fpPwTxaHsHGrc6WnzR9qTlcOQwUGl7/tozKL50DykqSXso8KMsNJAFjja 9/MWir6idnfxx/na0FcBVwZ0eoIUV5sQb0IFA= Received: by 10.220.89.218 with SMTP id f26mr36024vcm.19.1254200339333; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.230.28.96 with SMTP id l32gr41vbc.0; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:58:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Apparently-To: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.12.133 with SMTP id x5mr1385501vcx.28.1254200338666; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.12.133 with SMTP id x5mr1385500vcx.28.1254200338612; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si972015vws.4.2009.09.28.21.58.56; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090929045856499.SKSV19321@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 04:58:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1754A34C for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:58:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: What are we after? Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:58:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <4ABD07E5.2020301@kli.org> In-Reply-To: <4ABD07E5.2020301@kli.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <200909290058.53636.phma@phma.optus.nu> Reply-To: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Sender: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Precedence: bulk X-Google-Loop: groups Mailing-List: list lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-lbck+owner@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: , X-Beenthere-Env: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com X-Beenthere: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com On Friday 25 September 2009 14:11:49 Mark E. Shoulson wrote: > So, to start things off, when I think of what I would see in someone who > had completed Level One certification (and just numbering them 1, 2, 3, > is probably best), I think of somebody who can manage short, simple > sentences, involving simple sumti (mi, do, ti...), basic brivla (mainly > gismu, but chosen by utility and frequency, so if there's a > commonly-used lujvo, no problem) and 2-piece simple tanru of them, NU > abstractors, but only one level deep, and some conversationally-relevant > UI and COI. I tried to express that in the document, but was thinking > more in terms of test design. Try looking over it with testee > description in mind and maybe we'll be able to discuss things more > meaningfully. Sounds good to me. How many sumti in a clause? Maximum number of FA and SE? At what level should a testee be able to handle one SE and one FA without places being skipped because they're already filled? As to the database, I've written a page for entering cipfi'i names; hopefully I can write an initial version of the rest in a couple of weeks. Pierre