From grbounce-1SmKRQUAAADb_R2oRU4VvVPYnC2H_cF3=phma=phma.optus.nu@googlegroups.com Wed Sep 2 15:41:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: phma@localhost Delivered-To: phma@localhost Received: from chausie.ixazon.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B82D728 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: phma@phma.optus.nu Received: from 192.168.7.2 [192.168.7.2] by chausie.ixazon.lan with IMAP (fetchmail-6.3.8) for (single-drop); Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f153.google.com (mail-yx0-f153.google.com [209.85.210.153]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82DF6CE288 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yxe17 with SMTP id 17so238010yxe.9 for ; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-sender:x-apparently-to :received:received:received:received-spf:received:dkim-signature :domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:reply-to:sender:precedence:x-google-loop :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-unsubscribe :x-beenthere-env:x-beenthere; bh=uk1GggLuh1TI9cYXzp5N0H9DIweCs+PqCjQcUW7xZiM=; b=tCnHiA/qZSbgmyuNdKp7vpHb7wYX/hNMdYxq59bavZ5g6gaoo/N5/Ul3DG1aos0Vuq QqVy5HgqkVR/2cx4F03nz/MGiVJ36z0aM3pA/5GJ87hraXbLfKKWwgcQfQ2UKeNhAke5 la08tUNJTxA2kU733Susmu/Bhjn2EZJGPz9Dc= Domainkey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-sender:x-apparently-to:received-spf:authentication-results :dkim-signature:domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:reply-to:sender:precedence :x-google-loop:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-unsubscribe:x-beenthere-env:x-beenthere; b=P037MC7M3/BbPotFAqCRIuj5Ej+qy94ADwrpWNdeVEHXhvQDEY/LlXQIW9KqM2xdz6 yk/7LNlmIE1sB5wb67tk+oBHqZqP5OHCmKagzUe99qvsOw/jiXn6SNYRN+Ty8xnbWdH3 S/G/hyIRm+HHqJLA4T/JTyxrzOXJeQAYyKP3E= Received: by 10.100.16.34 with SMTP id 34mr3668283anp.3.1251920214776; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.177.11.7 with SMTP id o7gr8yqi.0; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:36:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.73.17 with SMTP id a17mr5881513anl.16.1251920214124; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.73.17 with SMTP id a17mr5881512anl.16.1251920214098; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f185.google.com (mail-yw0-f185.google.com [209.85.211.185]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si22753yxe.2.2009.09.02.12.36.53; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of matt.mattarn@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.185 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.211.185; Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of matt.mattarn@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.185 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=matt.mattarn@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Received: by mail-yw0-f185.google.com with SMTP id 15so3188417ywh.10 for ; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=+Ow3FgOy2beA2NZ7yGBeJXoxqj44wIQJkE/T0yoxPfw=; b=pQ7+rk9FlZWkUD557RL9WrfyeLEX9LM1yXCQOukYp4ug5rrPf7WTmm3BXLsWhTVsV8 IQf0h5LSe7IpVpMiOmqPv64u9DsT/pCQXYaakHbauGd0ybjZa1U1XEyd5jq1aonqEiQt oVy4DbwUf0B16zRGtKbMfeFTDeBA2FgjnGU6M= Domainkey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Rc2HODPhKVn6UzQ4rG5E09LDFZD7IxNTgUafmfEpXgAWJV12IgRFi6D+n/GHfXjXMH nNKWuu3o27fLiR2gr6/3x4sqKy44V7eXhBtsDJKXL4aw/WwysJ+fZcxEW60OkKjapQbt 0+E/42drEze5LsD7UgYdNNLyMzR+rQtOMTFNc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.1.15 with SMTP id 15mr14559602yba.77.1251920212893; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:36:52 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: How many levels From: Matt Arnold To: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Reply-To: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Sender: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Precedence: bulk X-Google-Loop: groups Mailing-List: list lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-lbck+owner@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: , X-Beenthere-Env: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com X-Beenthere: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com I was hoping to have more tests that test smaller parts of the language. This has several advantages. It has to do with social factors about motivating the human brain. 1. When more tests are taken, that is more Lojbanic activity going on, which keeps people thinking about Lojban, and not dropping out of the community. Some tests can even be like a game show over Teamspeak, with dramatic music and an audience of other Lojbanists. They come for the show, and stay for the conversation. The activity forms a social hub. 2. A more fine-grained estimation of progress gives the brain more frequent rewards, which engages the motivational cycle that game designers talk about. 3. More goals to work toward. If someone reaches the highest goal we have, they are likely to drop out of the system. The more people in the system, the more active it is as a social hub. 4. More people can get to the first level. More people in the system means more activity and talking about the activity. 5. With more tests, we can collect more fees, which go toward more desirable prizes such as free trips to Lojbanfest. I thought 500 words was a little excessive for the first test. The usage frequency drops off precipitously after about the first hundred words or so. (I can no longer find the document that gives the number of existing usages rather than just ordering the words by frequency.) That is a very useful measure. Those who are good with those words have put in a significant amount of work to separate them from those who just read "What Is Lojban". -Eppcott