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Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.214.3 with SMTP id m3mr1874645agg.5.1255797748328; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f198.google.com (mail-yx0-f198.google.com [209.85.210.198]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si216025yxe.9.2009.10.17.09.42.27; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of matt.mattarn@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.198 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.198; Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of matt.mattarn@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=matt.mattarn@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Received: by yxe36 with SMTP id 36so2984788yxe.11 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reply-To: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Sender: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Precedence: bulk X-Google-Loop: groups Mailing-List: list lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-lbck+owner@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: , X-Beenthere-Env: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com X-Beenthere: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com If the intent is to associate a word with a re-phrasing of the word's meaning, it will be difficult to keep the re-phrasing from exceeding the test level, unless it is for a test at a high level. Questions should not be failed due to an ignorance of geography or any other fields of knowledge besides Lojban. For instance, I don't know of any Japanese birds, offhand. Is it a mountainish-chicken? That doesn't ring a bell. Including so many options is time-consuming. It would be difficult to time how long it takes for the brain to access Lojban, and tell it apart from how long it takes the brain to sort through all the options. Live, timed tests are incredibly important. There is little point in testing mere persistence, since a conversation that gets by on persistence is not a very fluent conversation. Facility of recall is a sadly overlooked ability in this particular language community, and we need to put rewards in place for that to change. I'm not sure this style of question can avoid all three of these pitfalls. -Eppcott On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Saturday 17 October 2009 10:15:38 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote: >> Sounds good to me. This list probably goes beyond level 1 vocabulary >> though. > > That list goes up to level 4, as "vombatu" is a type-4 fu'ivla > and "ma'arjipci" is a word found only in "The Restaurant with Many Orders= ". > Someone who knows how to analyze a lujvo should be able to figure out whi= ch > phrase matches "ma'arjipci", though. > > How should that sort of question be implemented in the database? And how > should it be scored? > > Pierre > > -- > .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do > .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga > .icu'u la ma'atman. >