From lojban-lbck+bncCNTPpI2KGxDA1LXvBBoEl_mFjg@googlegroups.com Mon Jun 06 17:01:15 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QTjjK-0000qp-Gq for lbck-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:01:14 -0700 Received: by vxk20 with SMTP id 20sf2708421vxk.16 for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:01:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=H/9qXuAdOznWQrX0Za8C4VoGk7L5FWZSehEh1g9m0dA=; b=hRy4wxnXfj/xlAGuplsN9yp4bcbl50eR+ryQ44mgyAYwMUYGzWby0n/SMTTuRVJ2Ap HVFPtO8zyW9RMG0H/PBE85yKTMQO9IE0zC8GlX673jdC4imzffj89Ma5MvabHdt1UWv+ CBF0tQvqCXD3ZDhlb2a7noPlGUIpak002zRDU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; b=upDfbIvC224QKRYsqHTRMtmNvUn6E+UJ/BNXi/L2i3Lgk9noRvv9GzlzePNbuKxC7g SpT0K2QlFjFymGJVwJ20N6x/DKa7I8zX4c619kOJTyUqmVdubWBnALSqqRS5tKK09zRY FGxygfJyu2Vq7kRyDveh7joqKRrwhvDrfC/04= Received: by 10.220.111.72 with SMTP id r8mr281112vcp.40.1307404864659; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:01:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.187.102 with SMTP id fr6ls2118711vdc.0.gmail; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.107.226 with SMTP id hf2mr1331137vdb.26.1307404862793; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.107.226 with SMTP id hf2mr1331136vdb.26.1307404862782; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id cy4si4137696vdc.1.2011.06.06.17.01.01; Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=SOlsIBN44tkg4MqIq+y2aLZdhoA3kHpmiRsLue6rfnM= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=8Ph_vcHEAAAA:20 a=i5o-I91oAAAA:8 a=46xoZx_72spM6ImizYcA:9 a=jfuy2sOwQ-e7zcwwGi0A:7 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=I8E8bCGGr_oA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:41100] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E0/A1-15242-C3A6DED4; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 00:01:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20ACD17B66 for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2011 20:01:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: some questions Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 20:00:54 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201106051950.22790.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201106052318.27859.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201106062000.55297.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-lbck+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 186919887485 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Monday 06 June 2011 12:19:43 .arpis. wrote: > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Sunday 05 June 2011 22:54:18 .arpis. wrote: > > > Grammar question. I can't guess whether or not it would be easier for > > > someone Japanese, but I eliminated 3 of the 5 choices by the fact that > > > > they > > > > > clearly don't fit, and looked up bo'u to check that it wasn't some > > > important cmavo I didn't know. "Zou wa hana ga nagai" is a well-known example of the Japanese topic-comment structure. Except for the article, which Japanese lacks, it is word-for-word the same as the Lojban. > > Can you come up with some questions for the rest of us to try? > > I'm not really sure what to ask... Is there a resource these questions are > expected to be based on? See http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-lbck/topics for previous discussions. http://www.transparent.com/language-resources/tests.html has links to some tests of a similar form. Xorxes posted links to two of them, but they have moved. Here are some previous questions: "lo _cipnrkuku_ cu _punji_ le ri _sodva_ le zdani be lo _drata_ cipni" A. cipnrkuku B. punji C. sodva D. drata E. _no se srera_ (written for example in some other font) ti zbasu be lo takybli bei lo kliti minji A. B. be C. bei D. E. no se srera zo ci'onrai ma dunli lo ka valsi A. zo cikrai B. zo cimrai C. zo cinrai D. zo citrai ma na taidra fu'ivla A. zoi ly .ai'erne .ly B. zoi ly .urartu .ly C. zoi ly. kartuli .ly D. zoi ly. kafkaso .ly E. zoi ly. tirkce .ly ro _____ cu smani A. cimpanzi B. tcimpanzi C. tcimpazi D. timpanzi E. ctimpanzi mi cpacu _____ jaspu le jansu A. lo B. pu C. goi D. do E. na The questions will be in groups, of which some will be selected randomly, and for some questions (the ci'onrai one, but not the cuckoo one) the answers will be permuted randomly. An answer key will be printed separately. I have a partly written database schema for this. There will be at least four levels of proficiency: gismu, lujvo, fu'ivla up to type 3, and type-4 fu'ivla. There may be other levels between or above those. Pierre -- sei do'anai mi'a djuno puze'e noroi nalselganse srera