From lojban-lbck+bncCNTPpI2KGxCz59XvBBoEc2mCLw@googlegroups.com Sun Jun 12 19:19:44 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QVwkc-0006nQ-6e for lbck-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:19:43 -0700 Received: by vxk20 with SMTP id 20sf2882787vxk.16 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:19:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=fCMP7VauoeHs4+2uBhVq65Rd2cb726QhhJNeYEBTAvk=; b=2AGA/ldmGrFKeeBBtskAHgXCXcBxMJC6q4Zleh94hcEEcEQTHQ9uQgycEmxHcUFXGO 71Ifjiwt2dm2zyY+j2M/5f/6XEe1AA24N4Sw13chWEkVk6YBEo1egPlOEohdU5M14Hlb RljycFnWZtMZAte954xmgIMsZOTHRAMxq2QSI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version :message-id:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=qph2l8ENV9I6BXDAfJV/sLjQnlp/oXQnPMncZodw6+I5FfbhmyxgJcDVVdPoCG4xD8 Ir2iO8e3OB6r8iObCTyB3gygvN9537Np9bQwId/R9NH7XCgF0g049QmdtGgxX/F6ypEO CvDkEhzp+AUYJuKTDG8vMqk80lNGOQpa0a1JE= Received: by 10.220.96.74 with SMTP id g10mr556799vcn.13.1307931571674; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:19:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.179.138 with SMTP id dg10ls1689843vdc.2.gmail; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.180.10 with SMTP id dk10mr1647679vdc.16.1307931570611; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.180.10 with SMTP id dk10mr1647678vdc.16.1307931570581; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id jq3si2620661vdb.3.2011.06.12.19.19.28; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 19:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=SOlsIBN44tkg4MqIq+y2aLZdhoA3kHpmiRsLue6rfnM= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=fTFGF3Uo9TDxxZZZjkUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:52433] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 00/9A-15242-FA375FD4; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 02:19:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C48E14007 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 22:19:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Subject: rating scales Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 22:19:24 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201106122219.25705.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-lbck+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 186919887485 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-lbck@googlegroups.com List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline lujvo scale: 0. Does not require knowledge of lujvo. 1. Requires recognizing a word as a valid lujvo. 2. Requires decomposing a lujvo into its components or recognizing that two= =20 forms of a lujvo are the same word. 3. Requires knowing the meaning of a defined lujvo. fu'ivla type scale: 0. Does not require knowledge of fu'ivla. 1. Requires knowledge of type-1 fu'ivla. 2. Requires knowledge of type-2 fu'ivla. 3. Requires knowledge of type-3 fu'ivla. 4. Requires knowledge of type-4 fu'ivla. fu'ivla scale: 0. Does not require knowledge of fu'ivla. 1. Requires recognizing a valid fu'ivla. (Ignore types 1 and 2; recognizing= a=20 valid type-2 is considered recognizing a cmevla.) 2. Requires figuring out the meaning of a fu'ivla from context. 3. Requires knowing the meaning of a defined fu'ivla. cmene scale: 0. Does not require knowledge of cmene. 1. Requires recognizing a valid cmevla. (A selbri preceded by "la" doesn't= =20 count here; it's a grammatical construct.) 2. Requires figuring out the meaning of a cmene from context. 3. Requires knowing the meaning of a defined cmene. We also need scales for gismu, cmavo, and grammar, I think. "la .rampal. zgipli lo _flani_" requires either knowing the meaning of the= =20 cmene or decomposing the lujvo. (It is assumed, when rating a question for= =20 lujvo, that the testee knows the meanings of all gismu in the decomposition= =20 and other gismu in the question.) Only one answer is a musical instrument, = so=20 knowing "zgi-" is sufficient, and knowing who Rampal was is also sufficient. Pierre =2D-=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada.