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[100.33.73.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fi9sm7256309vdb.27.2015.05.03.13.14.03 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 03 May 2015 13:14:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Riley Martinez-Lynch Message-Id: <67FF02B5-7AF9-49A1-87A8-B8C1F76A16AA@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 16:14:02 -0400 References: <554513DC.1040404@lojban.org> To: llg-board@lojban.org In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [llg-board] Call to Order, statement of Presence X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6174910009670487472==" Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org --===============6174910009670487472== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_801890C5-71AB-4685-9245-BDBB09F45667" --Apple-Mail=_801890C5-71AB-4685-9245-BDBB09F45667 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I want to confirm that I am indeed volunteering to serve as = Secretary/Treasurer. > Candidates for office and/or nominators of others for office should = look at the Bylaw descriptions for each office. This may be non-trivial = because the new LLG web page doesn't have any obvious link to the = organization and Bylaws, though I eventually found both. The current bylaws, as recognized by the 2014 members meeting, are still = on the tiki -- the mediawiki links to them: http://tiki.lojban.org/tiki/Bylaws+of+The+Logical+Language+Group%2C+Inc. I'll make it a priority to get this transferred over to the new wiki. In = the mean time, I updated the members, directors and officers pages to = reflect the outcome of the members meeting. The list of members and = directors should be accurate, but please tell me if you find otherwise: http://mw.lojban.org/papri/LLG_Members http://mw.lojban.org/papri/LLG_Board_of_Directors The list of officers has not been updated; I will do that after the = election. Incidentally, I removed anyone from the llg-board mailing list who is = not currently either a director or an outgoing officer. > This needs further clarification like what citizenship (what city = etc.) is needed for becoming President. If no one else is from Virginia = I think maybe something needs to be changed to allow people from other = states to become presidents (although it'd be probably important to = still limit to the USA). lojbab, please correct me if I'm mistaken, but I don't think there is = any requirement that the officers (with one exception) be citizens of = the United States. I know that Arnt Johansen was president from = 2005-2008, and Veijo Vilva has been the vice president since 2010: I = believe both live in Scandinavia, and if they are U.S. citizens, it's = news to me. Regarding the office of Virginia Registered Agent, I agree that is a = longer term concern for the organization. I'm considering proposing (at = the 2015 members' meeting) a change to the bylaws that will authorize = the board to hire a registered agent. I founded my consulting LLC in = 2010 while I was living in Texas, but have lived in the state of New = York since that time, and have used the services of a registered agent = provider to keep the company compliant with Texas law. It seems to me = that LLG might benefit from having the flexibility to make a similar = arrangement, but it doesn't seem to me like the bylaws as currently = written would allow that. I'd welcome other interpretations. > I am willing to serve one more year as President, or as Vice President = if the Board prefers. But I strongly desire that at least one person = step forward as now-or-future President to fill the other position. If = I am President, I will be calling on this person as VP to exercise = several leadership activities in the coming year, including regular = participation in IRC and reporting to the Board on what the community = wants LLG to do. I don't want to pre-empt anyone who has a presidential candidate in = mind, but I think this is a good plan: To re-elect lojbab to the = presidency, and to elect a vice president who is open to taking on the = presidential role later. In any case, I think that the board should = adopt as a goal this year to recognize and/or cultivate candidates = suited to taking on these responsibilities. > Here is my statement of "vision". The coming year will hopefully = include the publication of the 1.1 edition of CLL through Lightning = Source, and I'd like to see at least a start on producing a similarly = updated edition of Nick Nicholas and Robin Turner's Lojban textbook, and = perhaps an update to the Introduction to Lojban book already published = through Lightning Source. If we get all that done, a printed = English/Lojban dictionary would finally finish what I committed to some = 25 years ago but still have not delivered. I support prioritizing the re-publication of CLL and providing that = effort with the resources that it needs I'm dubious whether the textbook has a constituency interested in = revising and republishing it. It seems like there is general support for = the idea of *a* textbook, but I'm also under the impression that those = who are most passionate about having a textbook are proposing different = approaches than the ones used by Nick and Robin's book. In terms of = educational materials, it seems like the "Wave" courses and gleki's = crash course are more representative of how people think lojban should = be taught these days. But I have to confess that I'm neither familiar = with the particulars of the objections to Nick and Robin's book nor with = the particulars in favor of the newer materials. If someone else can = speak to this, whether to confirm or correct my impression, please do. =20 > Only when we can point to a published and available grammar, = textbook, and dictionary do I see us as capable of truly promoting the = language beyond the sort of word-of-mouth efforts that have sufficed for = the last 25 years.=20 I think that we should push ahead with publication efforts, but that = those efforts -- with the possible exception of keeping CLL in print -- = are not on the critical path of proceeding to promote lojban. Having a printed (or commercial-quality ebook) version of these books is = certainly helpful in proselytizing lojban: The availability of those = books not only helps interested people to learn about lojban, but also = reinforces the idea that there is something worth the investment of = learning. But there are ways to promote lojban that are orthogonal to = authoring, editing and publishing, and I think we'd do well to consider = those in parallel. For example, it's become apparent that lojban is not infrequently = referenced in postgraduate work: I've seen a number of theses that = relate lojban and semantic web technologies. Facilitating this kind of = research could be an avenue for raising awareness of lojban. Another possibility lies in the increasing interest -- largely = facilitated by the Internet, but also furthered by the publication of = books like "In the Land of Invented Languages" and "The Language = Construction Kit" -- in constructed languages in general. I'd like to = see LLG represented in the Language Creation Society, and its Language = Creation Conferences, etc. Some of this promotional work may require or benefit from funding, but I = suspect that a lot of it requires less money than intention: As an = organization, can we foster efforts to pursue these ends. Can we channel = some fraction of the energy that a people invest into lojban into one of = a number of strategic activities? In any case, I would like to challenge the notion that it is "damaging" = to promote lojban without completing project X. Those whom we attract to = lojban by way of awareness-raising efforts might be the very ones who = help us to complete project X (or Y or Z)! > I'd like to see us produce something more sophisticated in the way of = communicating activity news between the various Lojban communities. The = old Ju'i Lobypli and le lojbo karni publications may no longer be viable = these days, and perhaps what guskant was proposing in the annual meeting = could point in a new direction. I think there's a lot to be gained in promoting lojban beyond the = anglosphere, and I'd like to see LLG find ways to support that work. Thoughts? --Riley= --Apple-Mail=_801890C5-71AB-4685-9245-BDBB09F45667 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Candidates for office and/or nominators of = others for office should look at the Bylaw descriptions for each = office.  This may be non-trivial because the new LLG web page = doesn't have any obvious link to the organization and Bylaws, though I = eventually found = both.

T= he current bylaws, as recognized by the 2014 members meeting, are still = on the tiki -- the mediawiki links to them:


I'll make it a priority to get this = transferred over to the new wiki. In the mean time, I updated the = members, directors and officers pages to reflect the outcome of the = members meeting. The list of members and directors should be accurate, = but please tell me if you find otherwise:


The list = of officers has not been updated; I will do that after the = election.

Incidentally, I removed anyone from = the llg-board mailing list who is not currently either a director or an = outgoing officer.

This needs further clarification like what = citizenship (what city etc.) is needed for becoming President. If no one = else is from Virginia I think maybe something needs to be changed to = allow people from other states to become presidents (although it'd be = probably important to still limit to the = USA).

lojbab, = please correct me if I'm mistaken, but I don't think there is any = requirement that the officers (with one exception) be citizens of the = United States. I know that Arnt Johansen was president from 2005-2008, = and Veijo Vilva has been the vice president since 2010: I believe both = live in Scandinavia, and if they are U.S. citizens, it's news to = me.

Regarding the office of Virginia Registered = Agent, I agree that is a longer term concern for the organization. I'm = considering proposing (at the 2015 members' meeting) a change to = the bylaws that will authorize the board to hire a registered agent. I = founded my consulting LLC in 2010 while I was living in Texas, but have = lived in the state of New York since that time, and have used the = services of a registered agent provider to keep the company compliant = with Texas law. It seems to me that LLG might benefit from having the = flexibility to make a similar arrangement, but it doesn't seem to me = like the bylaws as currently written would allow that. I'd welcome other = interpretations.

I am willing to serve one more year as = President, or as Vice President if the Board prefers.  But I = strongly desire that at least one person step forward as now-or-future = President to fill the other position.  If I am President, I will be = calling on this person as VP to exercise several leadership activities = in the coming year, including regular participation in IRC and reporting = to the Board on what the community wants LLG to = do.

I = don't want to pre-empt anyone who has a presidential candidate in mind, = but I think this is a good plan: To re-elect lojbab to the presidency, = and to elect a vice president who is open to taking on the presidential = role later. In any case, I think that the board should adopt as a goal = this year to recognize and/or cultivate candidates suited to taking on = these responsibilities.

Here is my statement of "vision".  The coming year will hopefully = include the publication of the 1.1 edition of CLL through Lightning = Source, and I'd like to see at least a start on producing a similarly = updated edition of Nick Nicholas and Robin Turner's Lojban textbook, and = perhaps an update to the Introduction to Lojban book already published = through Lightning Source.  If we get all that done, a printed = English/Lojban dictionary would finally finish what I committed to some = 25 years ago but still have not = delivered.

= I support prioritizing the re-publication of CLL and providing that = effort with the resources that it needs

I'm = dubious whether the textbook has a constituency interested in revising = and republishing it. It seems like there is general support for the idea = of *a* textbook, but I'm also under the impression that those who are = most passionate about having a textbook are proposing different = approaches than the ones used by Nick and Robin's book. In terms of = educational materials, it seems like the "Wave" courses and gleki's = crash course are more representative of how people think lojban should = be taught these days. But I have to confess that I'm neither familiar = with the particulars of the objections to Nick and Robin's book nor with = the particulars in favor of the newer materials. If someone else can = speak to this, whether to confirm or correct my impression, please = do.
 
  Only when we can point to a published and available = grammar, textbook, and dictionary do I see us as capable of truly = promoting the language beyond the sort of word-of-mouth efforts that = have sufficed for the last 25 = years. 

I think that we should push ahead with publication efforts, but that = those efforts -- with the possible exception of keeping CLL in print -- = are not on the critical path of proceeding to promote = lojban.

Having a printed (or commercial-quality = ebook) version of these books is certainly helpful in proselytizing = lojban: The availability of those books not only helps interested people = to learn about lojban, but also reinforces the idea that there is = something worth the investment of learning. But there are ways to = promote lojban that are orthogonal to authoring, editing and publishing, = and I think we'd do well to consider those in = parallel.

For example, it's become apparent = that lojban is not infrequently referenced in postgraduate work: I've = seen a number of theses that relate lojban and semantic web = technologies. Facilitating this kind of research could be an avenue for = raising awareness of lojban.

Another = possibility lies in the increasing interest -- largely facilitated by = the Internet, but also furthered by the publication of books like "In = the Land of Invented Languages" and "The Language Construction Kit" -- = in constructed languages in general. I'd like to see LLG represented in = the Language Creation Society, and its Language Creation Conferences, = etc.

Some of this promotional work may require = or benefit from funding, but I suspect that a lot of it requires less = money than intention: As an organization, can we foster efforts to = pursue these ends. Can we channel some fraction of the energy that a = people invest into lojban into one of a number of strategic = activities?

In any case, I would like to = challenge the notion that it is "damaging" to promote lojban without = completing project X. Those whom we attract to lojban by way of = awareness-raising efforts might be the very ones who help us to = complete project X (or Y or = Z)!

I'd like to see us produce something more = sophisticated in the way of communicating activity news between the = various Lojban communities.  The old Ju'i Lobypli and le lojbo = karni publications may no longer be viable these days, and perhaps what = guskant was proposing in the annual meeting could point in a new = direction.

= I think there's a lot to be gained in promoting lojban beyond the = anglosphere, and I'd like to see LLG find ways to support that = work.

Thoughts?

--Riley<= /div>
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