Received: from localhost ([::1]:51342 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Yp8tO-0001yU-Sa; Sun, 03 May 2015 22:26:10 -0700 Received: from mail-wi0-f180.google.com ([209.85.212.180]:36156) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Yp8tJ-0001yM-27 for llg-board@lojban.org; Sun, 03 May 2015 22:26:09 -0700 Received: by wizk4 with SMTP id k4so108782126wiz.1 for ; Sun, 03 May 2015 22:25:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=adb8kwOjzJlO+29i439GT8gmbGSnVofYSiD5kI7JzLs=; b=o7j6G4Ow2mogiCGTY2pOXOgKXRM6E7wqLCPA+tsfAuEGeI1ISY2Y+/9Wpue/bm16Im j5Wc2vZs6e76KWavpBARIqL40l/KdDjN2gBYE6GG4IRbfQLYb0Le+llacUzYpiQm6/us lFtlVZQ57WWE3i7TKDXS0Ocq7Aoyyh7TtKXN5z3PWHjzkWb/1kviUF9wSg3Vxp0OVxiu 6aSHKxqY5ZUa16WhVsnInSsIFlGzbubhRBU9gPptykOLqSN4yGo81ou5gFSS3b52f+JH tPiqpoglkWCjgqicfmmKml7HiPiSp7I3x1phk1j8+3Dg30GTK0YNDKer0PEPH8ICvMNR 324Q== X-Received: by 10.180.231.41 with SMTP id td9mr16479782wic.69.1430717157879; Sun, 03 May 2015 22:25:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.221.167 with HTTP; Sun, 3 May 2015 22:25:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <67FF02B5-7AF9-49A1-87A8-B8C1F76A16AA@gmail.com> References: <554513DC.1040404@lojban.org> <67FF02B5-7AF9-49A1-87A8-B8C1F76A16AA@gmail.com> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 08:25:37 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-board@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [llg-board] Call to Order, statement of Presence X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0748794240384606345==" Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org --===============0748794240384606345== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1134c5ccf8345e05153acba4 --001a1134c5ccf8345e05153acba4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-05-03 23:14 GMT+03:00 Riley Martinez-Lynch : > I want to confirm that I am indeed volunteering to serve as > Secretary/Treasurer. > > Candidates for office and/or nominators of others for office should look >> at the Bylaw descriptions for each office. This may be non-trivial because >> the new LLG web page doesn't have any obvious link to the organization and >> Bylaws, though I eventually found both. >> > > The current bylaws, as recognized by the 2014 members meeting, are still > on the tiki -- the mediawiki links to them: > > http://tiki.lojban.org/tiki/Bylaws+of+The+Logical+Language+Group%2C+Inc. > > > I'll make it a priority to get this transferred over to the new wiki. In > the mean time, I updated the members, directors and officers pages to > reflect the outcome of the members meeting. The list of members and > directors should be accurate, but please tell me if you find otherwise: > > http://mw.lojban.org/papri/LLG_Members > http://mw.lojban.org/papri/LLG_Board_of_Directors > > The list of officers has not been updated; I will do that after the > election. > > Incidentally, I removed anyone from the llg-board mailing list who is not > currently either a director or an outgoing officer. > > This needs further clarification like what citizenship (what city etc.) is > needed for becoming President. If no one else is from Virginia I think > maybe something needs to be changed to allow people from other states to > become presidents (although it'd be probably important to still limit to > the USA). > > > lojbab, please correct me if I'm mistaken, but I don't think there is any > requirement that the officers (with one exception) be citizens of the > United States. I know that Arnt Johansen was president from 2005-2008, and > Veijo Vilva has been the vice president since 2010: I believe both live in > Scandinavia, and if they are U.S. citizens, it's news to me. > > Regarding the office of Virginia Registered Agent, I agree that is a > longer term concern for the organization. I'm considering proposing (at the > 2015 members' meeting) a change to the bylaws that will authorize the board > to hire a registered agent. I founded my consulting LLC in 2010 while I was > living in Texas, but have lived in the state of New York since that time, > and have used the services of a registered agent provider to keep the > company compliant with Texas law. It seems to me that LLG might benefit > from having the flexibility to make a similar arrangement, but it doesn't > seem to me like the bylaws as currently written would allow that. I'd > welcome other interpretations. > > I am willing to serve one more year as President, or as Vice President if >> the Board prefers. But I strongly desire that at least one person step >> forward as now-or-future President to fill the other position. If I am >> President, I will be calling on this person as VP to exercise several >> leadership activities in the coming year, including regular participation >> in IRC and reporting to the Board on what the community wants LLG to do. >> > > I don't want to pre-empt anyone who has a presidential candidate in mind, > but I think this is a good plan: To re-elect lojbab to the presidency, and > to elect a vice president who is open to taking on the presidential role > later. In any case, I think that the board should adopt as a goal this year > to recognize and/or cultivate candidates suited to taking on these > responsibilities. > > Here is my statement of "vision". The coming year will hopefully include >> the publication of the 1.1 edition of CLL through Lightning Source, and I'd >> like to see at least a start on producing a similarly updated edition of >> Nick Nicholas and Robin Turner's Lojban textbook, and perhaps an update to >> the Introduction to Lojban book already published through Lightning >> Source. If we get all that done, a printed English/Lojban dictionary would >> finally finish what I committed to some 25 years ago but still have not >> delivered. > > > I support prioritizing the re-publication of CLL and providing that effort > with the resources that it needs > > I'm dubious whether the textbook has a constituency interested in revising > and republishing it. It seems like there is general support for the idea of > *a* textbook, but I'm also under the impression that those who are most > passionate about having a textbook are proposing different approaches than > the ones used by Nick and Robin's book. In terms of educational materials, > it seems like the "Wave" courses and gleki's crash course are more > representative of how people think lojban should be taught these days. But > I have to confess that I'm neither familiar with the particulars of the > objections to Nick and Robin's book nor with the particulars in favor of > the newer materials. If someone else can speak to this, whether to confirm > or correct my impression, please do. > I suppose this has to be asked not in this super-closed mailing list but at least in llg-members. Even if I reply who will read this and add to that? > > > Only when we can point to a published and available grammar, textbook, >> and dictionary do I see us as capable of truly promoting the language >> beyond the sort of word-of-mouth efforts that have sufficed for the last 25 >> years. > > > I think that we should push ahead with publication efforts, but that those > efforts -- with the possible exception of keeping CLL in print -- are not > on the critical path of proceeding to promote lojban. > > Having a printed (or commercial-quality ebook) version of these books is > certainly helpful in proselytizing lojban: The availability of those books > not only helps interested people to learn about lojban, but also reinforces > the idea that there is something worth the investment of learning. But > there are ways to promote lojban that are orthogonal to authoring, editing > and publishing, and I think we'd do well to consider those in parallel. > > For example, it's become apparent that lojban is not infrequently > referenced in postgraduate work: I've seen a number of theses that relate > lojban and semantic web technologies. Facilitating this kind of research > could be an avenue for raising awareness of lojban. > > Another possibility lies in the increasing interest -- largely facilitated > by the Internet, but also furthered by the publication of books like "In > the Land of Invented Languages" and "The Language Construction Kit" -- in > constructed languages in general. I'd like to see LLG represented in the > Language Creation Society, and its Language Creation Conferences, etc. > > Some of this promotional work may require or benefit from funding, but I > suspect that a lot of it requires less money than intention: As an > organization, can we foster efforts to pursue these ends. Can we channel > some fraction of the energy that a people invest into lojban into one of a > number of strategic activities? > > In any case, I would like to challenge the notion that it is "damaging" to > promote lojban without completing project X. Those whom we attract to > lojban by way of awareness-raising efforts might be the very ones who help > us to complete project X (or Y or Z)! > > I'd like to see us produce something more sophisticated in the way of >> communicating activity news between the various Lojban communities. The >> old Ju'i Lobypli and le lojbo karni publications may no longer be viable >> these days, and perhaps what guskant was proposing in the annual meeting >> could point in a new direction. > > > I think there's a lot to be gained in promoting lojban beyond the > anglosphere, and I'd like to see LLG find ways to support that work. > > Thoughts? > - Translate existing learning resources like listed here to your native languages. [ http://mw.lojban.org/papri/ToDo ] > > --Riley > > _______________________________________________ > llg-board mailing list > llg-board@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board > > --001a1134c5ccf8345e05153acba4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2015-05-03 23:14 GMT+03:00 Riley Martinez-Lynch <<= a href=3D"mailto:shunpiker@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">shunpiker@gmail.com= >:
I want to confirm that I am indeed volunteering to serve as Secretary/Tr= easurer.

Candidates for office and/or nominators of others for office= should look at the Bylaw descriptions for each office.=C2=A0 This may be n= on-trivial because the new LLG web page doesn't have any obvious link t= o the organization and Bylaws, though I eventually found both.

The current b= ylaws, as recognized by the 2014 members meeting, are still on the tiki -- = the mediawiki links to them:


I'll make it a priority to get this tra= nsferred over to the new wiki. In the mean time, I updated the members, dir= ectors and officers pages to reflect the outcome of the members meeting. Th= e list of members and directors should be accurate, but please tell me if y= ou find otherwise:

http://mw.lojban.org/papri/LLG_Board_of_Directors<= /div>

The list of officers has not been updated; I will = do that after the election.

Incidentally, I remove= d anyone from the llg-board mailing list who is not currently either a dire= ctor or an outgoing officer.

This needs further clarification like what citizenship (w= hat city etc.) is needed for becoming President. If no one else is from Vir= ginia I think maybe something needs to be changed to allow people from othe= r states to become presidents (although it'd be probably important to s= till limit to the USA).

=
lojbab, please correct me if I'm mistaken, but I don't = think there is any requirement that the officers (with one exception) be ci= tizens of the United States. I know that Arnt Johansen was president from 2= 005-2008, and Veijo Vilva has been the vice president since 2010: I believe= both live in Scandinavia, and if they are U.S. citizens, it's news to = me.

Regarding the office of Virginia Registered Ag= ent, I agree that is a longer term concern for the organization. I'm co= nsidering proposing (at the 2015 members' meeting)=C2=A0a change to the= bylaws that will authorize the board to hire a registered agent. I founded= my consulting LLC in 2010 while I was living in Texas, but have lived in t= he state of New York since that time, and have used the services of a regis= tered agent provider to keep the company compliant with Texas law. It seems= to me that LLG might benefit from having the flexibility to make a similar= arrangement, but it doesn't seem to me like the bylaws as currently wr= itten would allow that. I'd welcome other interpretations.

I am willin= g to serve one more year as President, or as Vice President if the Board pr= efers.=C2=A0 But I strongly desire that at least one person step forward as= now-or-future President to fill the other position.=C2=A0 If I am Presiden= t, I will be calling on this person as VP to exercise several leadership ac= tivities in the coming year, including regular participation in IRC and rep= orting to the Board on what the community wants LLG to do.
=

I don't want = to pre-empt anyone who has a presidential candidate in mind, but I think th= is is a good plan: To re-elect lojbab to the presidency, and to elect a vic= e president who is open to taking on the presidential role later. In any ca= se, I think that the board should adopt as a goal this year to recognize an= d/or cultivate candidates suited to taking on these responsibilities.
=

=
Here is my statement of "vision".=C2=A0 The coming year will hope= fully include the publication of the 1.1 edition of CLL through Lightning S= ource, and I'd like to see at least a start on producing a similarly up= dated edition of Nick Nicholas and Robin Turner's Lojban textbook, and = perhaps an update to the Introduction to Lojban book already published thro= ugh Lightning Source.=C2=A0 If we get all that done, a printed English/Lojb= an dictionary would finally finish what I committed to some 25 years ago bu= t still have not delivered.

I support prioritizing the re-publication of CLL and= providing that effort with the resources that it needs

I'm dubious whether the textbook has a constituency interested in= revising and republishing it. It seems like there is general support for t= he idea of *a* textbook, but I'm also under the impression that those w= ho are most passionate about having a textbook are proposing different appr= oaches than the ones used by Nick and Robin's book. In terms of educati= onal materials, it seems like the "Wave" courses and gleki's = crash course are more representative of how people think lojban should be t= aught these days. But I have to confess that I'm neither familiar with = the particulars of the objections to Nick and Robin's book nor with the= particulars in favor of the newer materials. If someone else can speak to = this, whether to confirm or correct my impression, please do.

I suppose this has to be asked not in = this super-closed mailing list but at least in llg-members. Even if I reply= who will read this and add to that?
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 Only when we can point to a = published and available grammar, textbook, and dictionary do I see us as ca= pable of truly promoting the language beyond the sort of word-of-mouth effo= rts that have sufficed for the last 25 years.=C2=A0

I think that we should push = ahead with publication efforts, but that those efforts -- with the possible= exception of keeping CLL in print -- are not on the critical path of proce= eding to promote lojban.

Having a printed (or comm= ercial-quality ebook) version of these books is certainly helpful in prosel= ytizing lojban: The availability of those books not only helps interested p= eople to learn about lojban, but also reinforces the idea that there is som= ething worth the investment of learning. But there are ways to promote lojb= an that are orthogonal to authoring, editing and publishing, and I think we= 'd do well to consider those in parallel.

For = example, it's become apparent that lojban is not infrequently reference= d in postgraduate work: I've seen a number of theses that relate lojban= and semantic web technologies. Facilitating this kind of research could be= an avenue for raising awareness of lojban.

Anothe= r possibility lies in the increasing interest -- largely facilitated by the= Internet, but also furthered by the publication of books like "In the= Land of Invented Languages" and "The Language Construction Kit&q= uot; -- in constructed languages in general. I'd like to see LLG repres= ented in the Language Creation Society, and its Language Creation Conferenc= es, etc.

Some of this promotional work may require= or benefit from funding, but I suspect that a lot of it requires less mone= y than intention: As an organization, can we foster efforts to pursue these= ends. Can we channel some fraction of the energy that a people invest into= lojban into one of a number of strategic activities?

<= div>In any case, I would like to challenge the notion that it is "dama= ging" to promote lojban without completing project X. Those whom we at= tract to lojban by way of awareness-raising efforts=C2=A0might be the very = ones who help us to complete project X (or Y or Z)!

I'd lik= e to see us produce something more sophisticated in the way of communicatin= g activity news between the various Lojban communities.=C2=A0 The old Ju= 9;i Lobypli and le lojbo karni publications may no longer be viable these d= ays, and perhaps what guskant was proposing in the annual meeting could poi= nt in a new direction.

=
I think there's a lot to be gained in promoting lojba= n beyond the anglosphere, and I'd like to see LLG find ways to support = that work.

Thoughts?
=C2=A0
=C2=A0

--Ril= ey

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llg-board@lojban.org
http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board


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