Received: from localhost ([::1]:52208 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YpFz5-0000Pa-3R; Mon, 04 May 2015 06:00:31 -0700 Received: from mail-wi0-f177.google.com ([209.85.212.177]:38240) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YpFyq-0000Ot-ME for llg-board@lojban.org; Mon, 04 May 2015 06:00:28 -0700 Received: by wiun10 with SMTP id n10so109133940wiu.1 for ; Mon, 04 May 2015 06:00:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=oJARuXkwWHtyRQwc2kdhsOiP6Ro3xlehS8U4LWSiJN4=; b=tounCtgkorw4z/GaqRqfFpDamBmvKdBDMH+jgC0a84YFg0J+cVC8XKsrf6jiY2PukU UzxByswzsN+TfLoB798rODIxCIvROZTi5xxSwJZ8v4f6qOMxyFD9S6nMVYFwzID0IXAp eF98+5oosUZAJzU1xXtYwVTLEhupiii5apCL9pn2DBAcGkT9k8KdRSTEgPcSprzzb6gT cfUUwKdvsCOC6ucuGTCXas60POFDnU0ZgK39yQ8IPsjgfngk7sPhzg18KiW+72Cf0ucB LsObrNEZ4nWb7UhBwaht9oLJMowv+DSEdaBCXYlOT+EGeypgCOeSFlSVlSk/bGtbqi40 a4CA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.105.233 with SMTP id gp9mr19521567wib.83.1430744409336; Mon, 04 May 2015 06:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.170.193 with HTTP; Mon, 4 May 2015 06:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.170.193 with HTTP; Mon, 4 May 2015 06:00:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <554513DC.1040404@lojban.org> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 14:00:09 +0100 Message-ID: From: And Rosta To: llg-board@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [llg-board] Call to Order, statement of Presence X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2797661017535791865==" Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org --===============2797661017535791865== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0442883e486f9e0515412439 --f46d0442883e486f9e0515412439 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 4 May 2015 12:58, "Gleki Arxokuna" wrote: > > > > 2015-05-04 11:16 GMT+03:00 And Rosta : >> >> >> On 2 May 2015 21:12, "Gleki Arxokuna" wrote: >> >> > Let's face it: even linguists and known conlangers who own paper copies of CLL don't understand most of what is said in this book. >> >> I think that's untrue. > > > Have you listened to Conlangery podcast, Lojban episode? No. > I don't know who else can be considered a more well-known conlanger and I don't know for sure why they were puzzled so much by CLL but the most evident explanation is that CLL didn't care of being immediately digestible. The natural interpretation of your "linguists and known conlangers" in its rhetorical context was "most linguists and known conlangers" rather than "more than zero linguists and conlangers". I can't really be arsed to seek out and listen to that podcast, but in the couple I've heard, the presenters casually examine a conlang and review it briefly. Do the reviewers allege that CLL itself is needlessly difficult? And --f46d0442883e486f9e0515412439 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On 4 May 2015 12:58, "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
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> 2015-05-04 11:16 GMT+03:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>:
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>> On 2 May 2015 21:12, "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >>
>> > Let's face it: even linguists and known conlangers who ow= n paper copies of CLL don't understand most of what is said in this boo= k.
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>> I think that's untrue.
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> Have you listened to Conlangery podcast, Lojban episode?

No.

> I don't know who else can be considered a more well= -known conlanger and I don't know for sure why they were puzzled so muc= h by CLL but the most evident explanation is that CLL didn't care of be= ing immediately digestible.

The natural interpretation of your "linguists and known= conlangers" in its rhetorical context was "most linguists and kn= own conlangers" rather than "more than zero linguists and conlang= ers".

I can't really be arsed to seek out and listen to that p= odcast, but in the couple I've heard, the presenters casually examine a= conlang and review it briefly.=C2=A0 Do the reviewers allege that CLL itse= lf is needlessly difficult?

And

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