Received: from localhost ([::1]:52541 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YpH7S-0001cS-V9; Mon, 04 May 2015 07:13:15 -0700 Received: from mail-wg0-f44.google.com ([74.125.82.44]:36128) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YpH7H-0001cC-Mq for llg-board@lojban.org; Mon, 04 May 2015 07:13:11 -0700 Received: by wgen6 with SMTP id n6so151565818wge.3 for ; Mon, 04 May 2015 07:12:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Ebpx9O1GoUYk9WgJvGV73CUQZJg8+4g0HZi0bANIyNc=; b=qxTC87Sgt8tyNlBWk/UJShALaEa6kkXe3kOiF9LQFf8PL05kJvNCxailfQhnV65T7Z webThO/oGulXEcHqP9X0dGG73+jkZw94lzPsy4Z6eYuw35l+ecl/oFrl5mFxP6ynC5qY 1VMquDbIlNIBtdpEScpVv0IQ3h9FKSdB0Hca9X4oNi+YZX1glNCUhp1LWXbnDDDncpMv Wt5LqPgBikC41om8tnBcrSu43V4VdoswzqsgeSNeLAGaGyz1c9WZLtXcY2fE3miIBEdc KZtlSFr/jyC+TeiUpWLMoC4qWjpiSnBl8Y1geqMakiYpbuXzITECDZzXtXMAk9u0qmuu wtHQ== X-Received: by 10.194.205.225 with SMTP id lj1mr42301891wjc.138.1430748776474; Mon, 04 May 2015 07:12:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.221.167 with HTTP; Mon, 4 May 2015 07:12:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <554513DC.1040404@lojban.org> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 17:12:34 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-board@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [llg-board] Call to Order, statement of Presence X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2194178905840405663==" Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org --===============2194178905840405663== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd6b9e495affa0515422818 --047d7bd6b9e495affa0515422818 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-05-04 16:00 GMT+03:00 And Rosta : > > On 4 May 2015 12:58, "Gleki Arxokuna" wrote: > > > > > > > > 2015-05-04 11:16 GMT+03:00 And Rosta : > >> > >> > >> On 2 May 2015 21:12, "Gleki Arxokuna" > wrote: > >> > >> > Let's face it: even linguists and known conlangers who own paper > copies of CLL don't understand most of what is said in this book. > >> > >> I think that's untrue. > > > > > > Have you listened to Conlangery podcast, Lojban episode? > > No. > > > I don't know who else can be considered a more well-known conlanger and > I don't know for sure why they were puzzled so much by CLL but the most > evident explanation is that CLL didn't care of being immediately digestible. > > The natural interpretation of your "linguists and known conlangers" in its > rhetorical context was "most linguists and known conlangers" rather than > "more than zero linguists and conlangers". > You have statistics? Most are those who have it on their bookshelves. So how may of them are now able to speak CLL Lojban? > I can't really be arsed to seek out and listen to that podcast, but in the > couple I've heard, the presenters casually examine a conlang and review it > briefly. Do the reviewers allege that CLL itself is needlessly difficult? > Yes. One needs to delve into CLL, not just browse it to get the gist because it lacks normal linguistic terms and when it doesn't it can use them in a different way (take "modals" and "perfective"). And > > _______________________________________________ > llg-board mailing list > llg-board@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board > > --047d7bd6b9e495affa0515422818 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2015-05-04 16:00 GMT+03:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>:

On 4 May 2015 12:58, "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>= wrote:
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> 2015-05-04 11:16 GMT+03:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>:
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>> On 2 May 2015 21:12, "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.co= m> wrote:
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>> > Let's face it: even linguists and known conlangers who ow= n paper copies of CLL don't understand most of what is said in this boo= k.
>>
>> I think that's untrue.
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> Have you listened to Conlangery podcast, Lojban episode?

No.

> I don't know who else can be considered a more well= -known conlanger and I don't know for sure why they were puzzled so muc= h by CLL but the most evident explanation is that CLL didn't care of be= ing immediately digestible.

The natural interpretation of your "linguists an= d known conlangers" in its rhetorical context was "most linguists= and known conlangers" rather than "more than zero linguists and = conlangers".


You have statistics? = Most are those who have it on their bookshelves. So how may of them are now= able to speak CLL Lojban?
=C2=A0

I can't really be arsed to seek out and listen to that p= odcast, but in the couple I've heard, the presenters casually examine a= conlang and review it briefly.=C2=A0 Do the reviewers allege that CLL itse= lf is needlessly difficult?

Yes. One needs to delve in= to CLL, not just browse it to get the gist because it lacks normal linguist= ic terms and when it doesn't it can use them in a different way (take &= quot;modals" and "perfective").

And


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