Received: from localhost ([::1]:55336 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YpaNH-000288-GD; Tue, 05 May 2015 03:46:51 -0700 Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com ([209.85.212.181]:36525) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YpaN4-00027t-ET for llg-board@lojban.org; Tue, 05 May 2015 03:46:49 -0700 Received: by wizk4 with SMTP id k4so155093421wiz.1 for ; Tue, 05 May 2015 03:46:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OvW4BH3xfyd03lOHz6qtO7yh/bWOE3CtvO1Uy6I43Io=; b=hM4MmTp/kN/h1bwIZaE+JiYQk3OeJyrEdEbeT0kdjinOykg1xO0QBELVOiPFp1Fxs4 N+3WDR5Z8+1vojrV1L/omSJcoMyEDXQacLLdcZmnRDK0XOoW1mFMc8KjD6c+zTk2HQyD npONhRc53VUZYbOxbnrke/oGwA8DVVRiM28jIhwL5yR0/xo3PG5BjbmkeXwdf8PHMCve gC55I8rXixDcpKPnGwrumb8v6dg3M/CZwkENntIuLORVe5zR+bS0aJb2ZXToROb6IjKP Jrski/ZDTnrYq0fRK/wPx0cGTwJuYVlnFG4k6saIymdPCld+UK16Xyim+w5BESUH+dpb 7pcQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.60.43 with SMTP id e11mr51493990wjr.36.1430822791843; Tue, 05 May 2015 03:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.170.193 with HTTP; Tue, 5 May 2015 03:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.170.193 with HTTP; Tue, 5 May 2015 03:46:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <554513DC.1040404@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 11:46:31 +0100 Message-ID: From: And Rosta To: llg-board@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [llg-board] Call to Order, statement of Presence X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7539902555018306783==" Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org --===============7539902555018306783== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b86de863e95b405155364e9 --047d7b86de863e95b405155364e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 5 May 2015 11:24, "Gleki Arxokuna" wrote: > > So you disagreed that conlangers dont understand CLL. So please name those who were able to understand CLL and then speak Lojban. CLL purports to be a reference grammar. Only exceptionally would a reader of a reference grammar be able to speak the language as a result of reading a reference grammar of it, however perspicuous the reference grammar is. It is normal that readers of even the most perspicuous reference grammar understand the grammar but are not able to speak the language. And --047d7b86de863e95b405155364e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On 5 May 2015 11:24, "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
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> So you disagreed that conlangers dont understand CLL. S= o please name those who were able to understand CLL and then speak Lojban.<= /p>

CLL purports to be a reference grammar. Only exceptionally w= ould a reader of a reference grammar be able to speak the language as a res= ult of reading a reference grammar of it, however perspicuous the reference= grammar is. It is normal that readers of even the most perspicuous referen= ce grammar understand the grammar but are not able to speak the language. <= /p>

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