Received: from localhost ([::1]:56101 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YpdyL-0004Ur-0t; Tue, 05 May 2015 07:37:21 -0700 Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com ([209.85.212.181]:36350) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YpdyA-0004Ud-Ue for llg-board@lojban.org; Tue, 05 May 2015 07:37:17 -0700 Received: by wizk4 with SMTP id k4so163863171wiz.1 for ; Tue, 05 May 2015 07:37:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=10l/E/aQc/F4f7FQHGC1JXtXZnE9+KZPzxCSbqsXyeM=; b=Pc5E8g221NoiWKLX0faXIthZi/kT+aDmGBtpBAIO7gxvLtpCC20oL5vkSLPBD8HowG P3+oRKNTStXvI6jCrdG8e7qRS318GTBJkXnai6TOBMrzO/Q+9h5HLvb4dya9LcFaqBzU Vi1T6Unwi0MYOE2qpOLLVOKCy2Ob1ezosknVnCL2xfNbdw3I7iuJ/FK0rYanQxbMsKPf PY4qsnImQqjMJ9ZfFGJOvuhSWiApVLvpOcvEabAdqKNQyQU3r5ci4MXDyr1RXZTAeotH izXANpp63o/BPHBTF9FaPhy6Bu1EZN4kZJ9zvtUG3a7wAaLAFwtC2yqYWPoyFRdvQ/D7 33iw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.95.2 with SMTP id dg2mr18751988wjb.53.1430836623983; Tue, 05 May 2015 07:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.170.193 with HTTP; Tue, 5 May 2015 07:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.170.193 with HTTP; Tue, 5 May 2015 07:37:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <554513DC.1040404@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 15:37:03 +0100 Message-ID: From: And Rosta To: llg-board@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [llg-board] Call to Order, statement of Presence X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6740066691946374261==" Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org --===============6740066691946374261== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf0c02ab44ae30515569c4f --047d7bf0c02ab44ae30515569c4f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 5 May 2015 11:49, "Gleki Arxokuna" wrote: > > > > 2015-05-04 11:16 GMT+03:00 And Rosta : >> >> >> On 2 May 2015 21:12, "Gleki Arxokuna" wrote: >> >> > Let's face it: even linguists and known conlangers who own paper copies of CLL don't understand most of what is said in this book. >> >> I think that's untrue. > > > Why do you think that's untrue? My impression is that CLL is generally regarded as an accessible and clear exposition of the subject matter. I don't know if it's possible to generalize over linguists who have read CLL: the only ones I can think of who I know have are me and Geoffrey Sampson. But among conlangers who have read CLL there is conspicuously no tendency for them not to understand most of what it says. However, although CLL is an accessible and clear exposition, the language itself was and is underdefined (relative to the majoritarian view of what counts as Lojban completion). So the language needs to be completed, and then CLL needs to be revised, and then teaching materials would need to be developed. And --047d7bf0c02ab44ae30515569c4f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On 5 May 2015 11:49, "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
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> 2015-05-04 11:16 GMT+03:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>:
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>> On 2 May 2015 21:12, "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >>
>> > Let's face it: even linguists and known conlangers who ow= n paper copies of CLL don't understand most of what is said in this boo= k.
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My impression is that CLL is generally regarded as an access= ible and clear exposition of the subject matter. I don't know if it'= ;s possible to generalize over linguists who have read CLL: the only ones I= can think of who I know have are me and Geoffrey Sampson. But among conlan= gers who have read CLL there is conspicuously no tendency for them not to u= nderstand most of what it says.

However, although CLL is an accessible and clear exposition,= the language itself was and is underdefined (relative to the majoritarian = view of what counts as Lojban completion). So the language needs to be comp= leted, and then CLL needs to be revised, and then teaching materials would = need to be developed.

And

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