Received: from localhost ([::1]:46048 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Ys6Jk-0002LG-KA; Tue, 12 May 2015 02:17:36 -0700 Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com ([209.85.212.179]:35803) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Ys6Jb-0002K3-Vw for llg-board@lojban.org; Tue, 12 May 2015 02:17:33 -0700 Received: by widdi4 with SMTP id di4so143253575wid.0 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 02:17:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gyR9KQe9D3lstHRjLm4fkK/NCdXxOzasWucF9LpSXLE=; b=D/xTEiIttZ+ZvQNFFeVuUx9DZbHKFsz/4eFUh1wFGmM1ONIGgtyfAQTemifNYptXl7 5P7lOic4/QOqq2nz1ynSaJRprX/xvJynGYKc0fyBUOK7t7CExSVVCG3UackLtu7M0ElO RK3SnZjkqHFZzUTXllatPpOEZxW6tqSDqdBaAHT8fW57Xace6G3oD0h/HRuUiqb9/u21 QYh+2M7NSIetpxSrsEnlfw+SjG8oRY9kVSqTHzJMhl78zBojE3r+JbMkzbF3ZAZG5yN3 5RiUx0O5eaOqCVZQw/NASut3xD3N878b8/2enBE55RV4MylODYgEoqsrP1Z9kSCb9mXz NXfQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.82.38 with SMTP id f6mr27247793wjy.16.1431422241084; Tue, 12 May 2015 02:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.170.193 with HTTP; Tue, 12 May 2015 02:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.170.193 with HTTP; Tue, 12 May 2015 02:17:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5550DD9F.2010607@lojban.org> References: <554513DC.1040404@lojban.org> <67FF02B5-7AF9-49A1-87A8-B8C1F76A16AA@gmail.com> <554B1CA4.1060509@lojban.org> <5550DD9F.2010607@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 10:17:20 +0100 Message-ID: From: And Rosta To: llg-board@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [llg-board] Board election X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8808036824948429738==" Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org --===============8808036824948429738== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf0bfc2341dd30515def6e5 --047d7bf0bfc2341dd30515def6e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Bob LeChevalier, On 11/05/2015 17:49: > On 5/7/2015 5:36 AM, And Rosta wrote: >> On 7 May 2015 09:05, "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG" >> > wrote: >> > >> > Congratulations to Riley, our new Secretary/Treasurer. >> > >> > >> > There still have been no nominations for President or Vice President. >> I'm willing to do one, but not both, and I'm can't promise to do much >> better than I have this past year, so the other person needs to be >> someone willing to help lead. >> >> Must the president come from the board? > > It isn't required, but it isn't entirely clear how it could work. > > If the President is not on the Board, it becomes an obvious question of "why not?" The members of the Board and even of the LLG weren't selected with the purpose of ensuring the Board contained someone suitable for the sort of active leadership role you very reasonably envisage as desirable. And the Board seems to take the view that Board doesn't contain a suitable leader (or at least somebody to shadow and then replace you). >> I note first that some past >> presidents have not exercised much visible in-front-of-the-scenes >> leadership. > > If the Board wants such a president, it can have same. I myself have had both visible periods and non-visible ones. It has been my sense that the community wants someone more visible than I have been. There has been a lack of clear community leadership, especially since Robin started to burn out in his multiple roles. I think it's worth consulting the general community both on whether there's a wish for a leader and on whether there are any nominations for the role. If there's no positive response, we can fall back on having as president someone who doesn't lead but does get things done, as you suggest: > > I do think that a President, however visible, needs to be more promptly attentive to business than I have been. This past meeting has been an embarrassment, because I was constantly tuning out for several days at a time. I have too much on in my life that requires me to be promptly attentive to business for me to volunteer to take on this role. I am, tho, willing to work with Riley on establishing whether the community wants an active leader and on finding one; I would offer to take the VP role for one year if that was the extent of my duties. >> then I am at a loss: I see no suitable candidates among me, Craig, Ali, Ark, Timo. > > It is partly because I am not sure anyone else is up to taking on responsibility for the President job all-at-once that I have suggested that I continue as President while someone serves as VP and President-in-training. I don't want the organization to fall apart if I am again incapacitated, or simply gone, so we need some type of transition to an organization that does not depend on lojbab for its continued existence. I agree with you, but I think these considerations failed to affect the recruitment of LLG members and the election of the Board. --And. --047d7bf0bfc2341dd30515def6e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bob LeChevalier, On 11/05/2015 17:49:
> On 5/7/2015 5:36 AM, And Rosta wrote:
>> On 7 May 2015 09:05, "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder = - LLG"
>> <lojbab@lojban.org <= ;mailto:lojbab@lojban.org>> = wrote:
>> >
>> > Congratulations to Riley, our new Secretary/Treasurer.
>> >
>> >
>> > There still have been no nominations for President or Vice Pr= esident.
>> I'm willing to do one, but not both, and I'm can't pro= mise to do much
>> better than I have this past year, so the other person needs to be=
>> someone willing to help lead.
>>
>> Must the president come from the board?
>
> It isn't required, but it isn't entirely clear how it could wo= rk.
>
> If the President is not on the Board, it becomes an obvious question o= f "why not?"

The members of the Board and even of the LLG weren't sel= ected with the purpose of ensuring the Board contained someone suitable for= the sort of active leadership role you very reasonably envisage as desirab= le. And the Board seems to take the view that Board doesn't contain a s= uitable leader (or at least somebody to shadow and then replace you).

>> I note first that some past
>> presidents have not exercised much visible in-front-of-the-scenes<= br> >> leadership.
>
> If the Board wants such a president, it can have same. I myself have h= ad both visible periods and non-visible ones. It has been my sense that the= community wants someone more visible than I have been. There has been a la= ck of clear community leadership, especially since Robin started to burn ou= t in his multiple roles.

I think it's worth consulting the general community both= on whether there's a wish for a leader and on whether there are any no= minations for the role. If there's no positive response, we can fall ba= ck on having as president someone who doesn't lead but does get things = done, as you suggest:

>
> I do think that a President, however visible, needs to be more promptl= y attentive to business than I have been. This past meeting has been an emb= arrassment, because I was constantly tuning out for several days at a time.=

I have too much on in my life that requires me to be promptl= y attentive to business for me to volunteer to take on this role. I am, tho= , willing to work with Riley on establishing whether the community wants an= active leader and on finding one; I would offer to take the VP role for on= e year if that was the extent of my duties.

>> then I am at a loss: I see no suitable candidates a= mong me, Craig, Ali, Ark, Timo.
>
> It is partly because I am not sure anyone else is up to taking on resp= onsibility for the President job all-at-once that I have suggested that I c= ontinue as President while someone serves as VP and President-in-training. = I don't want the organization to fall apart if I am again incapacitated= , or simply gone, so we need some type of transition to an organization tha= t does not depend on lojbab for its continued existence.

I agree with you, but I think these considerations failed to= affect the recruitment of LLG members and the election of the Board.

--And.

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