Received: from localhost ([::1]:47519 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1YsDkv-0002sj-4o; Tue, 12 May 2015 10:14:09 -0700 Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com ([209.85.212.178]:35910) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1YsDkp-0002rs-8z for llg-board@lojban.org; Tue, 12 May 2015 10:14:07 -0700 Received: by wizk4 with SMTP id k4so163548177wiz.1 for ; Tue, 12 May 2015 10:13:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=5zUhr4XxLy5RYVIFUmma+GEbNpreR/vdw0dOAxTgisc=; b=Y/hnT/r8htmNkXd+odz+nLasFwXsw9x5+UPfRLfCADsOyaWkdoDcE5MAi6V/XciEer Jrkm5FuuxQtOsjIBVJ1mSo+pQmgV1q+u/1/z3BCHcWgkGOgDH5z++yYS+QG1FXKvPOO5 hoYrVhCQQic3u8VysqqqfArwTV4sPSUYu5IGOzDaXniV0Fh8vG21eD+fqi9yBr5iseTg a8eddKk/DsPi0o7NYv0To406zCWQkDWC8HnHyzGLX7xgGRipy2gaj1uU/tpA1PYDGYD2 iTE/ktDBuwOFgHhmVaAapuVx72KveB+gQXn6EUzFuDHhS1FWVkeayjk14mxkrhXdswYs fceg== X-Received: by 10.194.172.130 with SMTP id bc2mr32741697wjc.85.1431450836147; Tue, 12 May 2015 10:13:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.221.167 with HTTP; Tue, 12 May 2015 10:13:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <554513DC.1040404@lojban.org> <67FF02B5-7AF9-49A1-87A8-B8C1F76A16AA@gmail.com> <554B1CA4.1060509@lojban.org> <5550DD9F.2010607@lojban.org> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 20:13:35 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-board@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [llg-board] Board election X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6165078056348162607==" Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org --===============6165078056348162607== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013c63429a24850515e59ec4 --089e013c63429a24850515e59ec4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-05-12 18:49 GMT+03:00 And Rosta : > My interpretation of Riley's suggestion is that during what we'd intend to > be the curtailed terms of Pres (Bob) and VP (maybe me), the Pres and VP > focus on recruiting onto the board people interested in undertaking various > kinds of leadership; they'd join the board at the next LLG meeting, which > would be called later this year. > > If this is what Riley and Craig support too, then I suggest we give it a > few days to see if anyone wants to make a counterproposal. I do want to add > that if someone else would like to volunteer for the VP role as outlined > above, I will be pleased rather than chagrined; I'd rather leave the effort > to someone else (& indeed I volunteered for the board only so as to > encourage other more suitable colleagues to volunteer; I hadn't expected to > actually be elected). > So Craig Daniel and And Rosta showed some agreement to ballot for president at least as a temporary measure. If so I'd definitely vote for one of them. However, we should think of someone from the US who can 1. speak fluent or at least sufficient colloquial Lojban 2. who can be ready to become a representative of Lojbanistan, i.e. visit radio/TV shows, idk what else. I don't know if such position must be equal to the position of president. --And > On 12 May 2015 16:34, "Craig Daniel" wrote: > >> I would support this, conditioned on the board taking steps to encourage >> and assist the unofficial leaders within the Lojban community. >> >> On 5:52am, Tue, May 12, 2015 Riley Martinez-Lynch >> wrote: >> >>> On May 12, 2015, at 5:17 AM, And Rosta wrote: >>> >>> The members of the Board and even of the LLG weren't selected with the >>> purpose of ensuring the Board contained someone suitable for the sort of >>> active leadership role you very reasonably envisage as desirable. >>> >>> I suspect we may be seeing here a consequence of the fact that the >>> responsibilities of the Board are little understood by the community, and >>> even by the membership. This lack of understanding is at once cause and >>> effect of the long period during which there were few recruits, and has had >>> the effect -- as lojbab underscored in his presidential report a few years >>> back -- of shrinking the pool of prospective leaders. >>> >>> I think there's agreement that going forward the Board should make >>> efforts to keep the community informed about its work, if only in the >>> interest of cultivating potential directors and officers. I intend to work >>> on that as secretary. >>> >>> I have too much on in my life that requires me to be promptly attentive >>> to business for me to volunteer to take on this role. I am, tho, willing to >>> work with Riley on establishing whether the community wants an active >>> leader and on finding one; I would offer to take the VP role for one year >>> if that was the extent of my duties. >>> >>> I would support And taking on the role of VP, noting that one of the >>> duties of the president, which could possibly be delegated to the vice >>> president, is the determination of the timing of the annual meeting, and by >>> extension, the election of officers by the board. So in the case that our >>> effort to recruit new leadership bears fruit, the president and vice >>> president could choose to abbreviate their terms by calling the meeting to >>> order in late summer, etc. >>> >>> --Riley >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> llg-board mailing list >>> llg-board@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> llg-board mailing list >> llg-board@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board >> >> > _______________________________________________ > llg-board mailing list > llg-board@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board > > --089e013c63429a24850515e59ec4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2015-05-12 18:49 GMT+03:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>:

My interpretation of= Riley's suggestion is that during what we'd intend to be the curta= iled terms of Pres (Bob) and VP (maybe me), the Pres and VP focus on recrui= ting onto the board people interested in undertaking various kinds of leade= rship; they'd join the board at the next LLG meeting, which would be ca= lled later this year.

If this is what Riley and Craig support too, then I suggest = we give it a few days to see if anyone wants to make a counterproposal. I d= o want to add that if someone else would like to volunteer for the VP role = as outlined above, I will be pleased rather than chagrined; I'd rather = leave the effort to someone else (& indeed I volunteered for the board = only so as to encourage other more suitable colleagues to volunteer; I hadn= 't expected to actually be elected).


So Craig Daniel and And Rosta showed some agreement to ballot for preside= nt at least as a temporary measure.

If so I'd = definitely vote for one of them.

However, we shoul= d think of someone from the US who can=C2=A0
1. speak fluent or a= t least sufficient colloquial Lojban
2. who can be ready to becom= e a representative of Lojbanistan, i.e. visit radio/TV shows, idk what else= .

I don't know if such position must be equal = to the position of president.

--And

On 12 May 2015 16:34, "Craig Daniel" &= lt;craigbdaniel= @gmail.com> wrote:

I would support this, conditioned on the board taking = steps to encourage and assist the unofficial leaders within the Lojban comm= unity.


On 5:52am, Tue, May 12, 2015=C2=A0Riley Mart= inez-Lynch <shu= npiker@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 12, 2015, at 5:17 AM, And Rosta <= ;and.rosta@gmail.c= om> wrote:

The members of the Board and even of th= e LLG weren't selected with the purpose of ensuring the Board contained= someone suitable for the sort of active leadership role you very reasonabl= y envisage as desirable.

I suspect we may be seeing here a consequence of th= e fact that the responsibilities of the Board are little understood by the = community, and even by the membership. This lack of understanding is at onc= e cause and effect of the long period during which there were few recruits,= and has had the effect -- as lojbab underscored in his presidential report= a few years back -- of shrinking the pool of prospective leaders.

I think there's agreement that going forward the Board= should make efforts to keep the community informed about its work, if only= in the interest of cultivating potential directors and officers. I intend = to work on that as secretary.

I have too much on in= my life that requires me to be promptly attentive to business for me to vo= lunteer to take on this role. I am, tho, willing to work with Riley on esta= blishing whether the community wants an active leader and on finding one; I= would offer to take the VP role for one year if that was the extent of my = duties.=C2=A0

I would support And taking on the role of VP, noting that one = of the duties of the president, which could possibly be delegated to the vi= ce president, is the determination of the timing of the annual meeting, and= by extension, the election of officers by the board. So in the case that o= ur effort to recruit new leadership bears fruit, the president and vice pre= sident could choose to abbreviate their terms by calling the meeting to ord= er in late summer, etc.

--Riley

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