Received: from localhost ([::1]:48887 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Yz8Rm-0008JC-LZ; Sun, 31 May 2015 11:58:58 -0700 Received: from mail-wg0-f54.google.com ([74.125.82.54]:35388) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Yz8Rf-0008J1-Ks for llg-board@lojban.org; Sun, 31 May 2015 11:58:56 -0700 Received: by wgme6 with SMTP id e6so98360015wgm.2 for ; Sun, 31 May 2015 11:58:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=6YFPH4GQNRAHJSiWGtboM51HKLbImV8oRu88Tjvq2hQ=; b=B57J4FFpFA+KToQDmeL6mqi9ukKoPkEzyh3M2Fka71WzYrebyqO7X1KLeye3zY0EWV ZHHbh+xgzYb6+5UPsQO6sqbjR7TUCfQKuVCkQO7Thj/eCMHUzzDnxRQ6yY7Mmq0SCKg6 jUdeaqoAmAfcepdpY4ecuQa5sLlvSAuj96JhkHH9bLpRleLbGnzU8waK59K+8BEZQkko tLjsajNhyXfTkfxWZ5ixxgFTChN1qw0xydptgz1t/cj5QP/Y13cWQ+cUB6RZPHnqsOff j+f6BZX+ZrAfqzir3djFgg7zyTdcTXlGz4evnstrKqrgoZ+D/ZXlHZpV/gCvfON6xE7g itgQ== X-Received: by 10.194.205.225 with SMTP id lj1mr34493135wjc.138.1433098724072; Sun, 31 May 2015 11:58:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.221.167 with HTTP; Sun, 31 May 2015 11:58:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <556B4694.9070603@gmail.com> References: <554513DC.1040404@lojban.org> <67FF02B5-7AF9-49A1-87A8-B8C1F76A16AA@gmail.com> <554B1CA4.1060509@lojban.org> <5550DD9F.2010607@lojban.org> <556B4694.9070603@gmail.com> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 21:58:23 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-board@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [llg-board] Board election X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5170248193212876615==" Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org --===============5170248193212876615== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd6b9e460656d0517654ca5 --047d7bd6b9e460656d0517654ca5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-05-31 20:36 GMT+03:00 And Rosta : > I think nobody has spoken against this. I'd be delighted not to be VP, but > am offering to do it as community service (the performance of which, in the > UK, appallingly, is regarded as a punishment for criminals). > > Accordingly, I tentatively propose to the Board the following (but see my > last para below): > 1. Bob be President > 2. I be VP > 3. We aim to convene the next LLG meeting within the next three months, or > as soon as possible after that. At that point, I, unless I have become > crazed with power, will resign as VP. The meeting will elect a new board. > If it is allowed to, then the meeting will elect the officers too, but if > the board elects the officers then at least candidates for election tot the > board will be asked to state their willingness to take on officerships. > 4. Before the next LLG meeting I will put out a call for nominations for > LLG membership and in particular for Pres/VP roles, noting the possibility > of a transitional period while one of those roles is taken by Bob. > > > Before putting that to a vote, tho, I'd like to consider a certain anomaly > in our organization. We have tended to see LLG as a business organization, > where people of proven goodwill and activism donate a bit of time to help > in the running of Lojban; for quoracy reasons we try to confine membership > to people who are reliably active. Not unreasonably, Bob thinks we need > someone to take on an active leadership role. If that person is effectual > in the role then they wield quite a lot of power and influence. In that > case, it matters who elects that leader and by what electoral process. Can > we do better than our present methods? > Side question which I asked and will ask once again. If you do want or ready to become the President or even if you become a VP why do you think you qualify as a VP? Not that I am against but I'm just wondering as you how to make the org better, what will be your actions to make it better and in what regard? Bob has done a great work. Even now he cares about copies of CLL for Amazon. He is trying to make translations. He has been organizing jbonunsla. But it seems that otherwise there has been no activity. So what will be your actions, And (except hiring new members of the Board from the existing LLG members)? > > > > And Rosta, On 12/05/2015 16:49: > >> My interpretation of Riley's suggestion is that during what we'd intend >> to be the curtailed terms of Pres (Bob) and VP (maybe me), the Pres and VP >> focus on recruiting onto the board people interested in undertaking various >> kinds of leadership; they'd join the board at the next LLG meeting, which >> would be called later this year. >> >> If this is what Riley and Craig support too, then I suggest we give it a >> few days to see if anyone wants to make a counterproposal. I do want to add >> that if someone else would like to volunteer for the VP role as outlined >> above, I will be pleased rather than chagrined; I'd rather leave the effort >> to someone else (& indeed I volunteered for the board only so as to >> encourage other more suitable colleagues to volunteer; I hadn't expected to >> actually be elected). >> >> --And >> >> On 12 May 2015 16:34, "Craig Daniel" > craigbdaniel@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I would support this, conditioned on the board taking steps to >> encourage and assist the unofficial leaders within the Lojban community. >> >> >> On 5:52am, Tue, May 12, 2015 Riley Martinez-Lynch < >> shunpiker@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> On May 12, 2015, at 5:17 AM, And Rosta > > wrote: >> >>> >>> The members of the Board and even of the LLG weren't selected >>> with the purpose of ensuring the Board contained someone suitable for the >>> sort of active leadership role you very reasonably envisage as desirable. >>> >>> I suspect we may be seeing here a consequence of the fact that >> the responsibilities of the Board are little understood by the community, >> and even by the membership. This lack of understanding is at once cause and >> effect of the long period during which there were few recruits, and has had >> the effect -- as lojbab underscored in his presidential report a few years >> back -- of shrinking the pool of prospective leaders. >> >> I think there's agreement that going forward the Board should >> make efforts to keep the community informed about its work, if only in the >> interest of cultivating potential directors and officers. I intend to work >> on that as secretary. >> >>> >>> I have too much on in my life that requires me to be promptly >>> attentive to business for me to volunteer to take on this role. I am, tho, >>> willing to work with Riley on establishing whether the community wants an >>> active leader and on finding one; I would offer to take the VP role for one >>> year if that was the extent of my duties. >>> >>> I would support And taking on the role of VP, noting that one >> of the duties of the president, which could possibly be delegated to the >> vice president, is the determination of the timing of the annual meeting, >> and by extension, the election of officers by the board. So in the case >> that our effort to recruit new leadership bears fruit, the president and >> vice president could choose to abbreviate their terms by calling the >> meeting to order in late summer, etc. >> >> --Riley >> >> _______________________________________________ >> llg-board mailing list >> llg-board@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> llg-board mailing list >> llg-board@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > llg-board mailing list > llg-board@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board > --047d7bd6b9e460656d0517654ca5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2015-05-31 20:36 GMT+03:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>:
I think nobody has spoken against t= his. I'd be delighted not to be VP, but am offering to do it as communi= ty service (the performance of which, in the UK, appallingly, is regarded a= s a punishment for criminals).

Accordingly, I tentatively propose to the Board the following (but see my l= ast para below):
1. Bob be President
2. I be VP
3. We aim to convene the next LLG meeting within the next three months, or = as soon as possible after that. At that point, I, unless I have become craz= ed with power, will resign as VP. The meeting will elect a new board. If it= is allowed to, then the meeting will elect the officers too, but if the bo= ard elects the officers then at least candidates for election tot the board= will be asked to state their willingness to take on officerships.
4. Before the next LLG meeting I will put out a call for nominations for LL= G membership and in particular for Pres/VP roles, noting the possibility of= a transitional period while one of those roles is taken by Bob.


Before putting that to a vote, tho, I'd like to consider a certain anom= aly in our organization. We have tended to see LLG as a business organizati= on, where people of proven goodwill and activism donate a bit of time to he= lp in the running of Lojban; for quoracy reasons we try to confine membersh= ip to people who are reliably active. Not unreasonably, Bob thinks we need = someone to take on an active leadership role. If that person is effectual i= n the role then they wield quite a lot of power and influence. In that case= , it matters who elects that leader and by what electoral process.=C2=A0 Ca= n we do better than our present methods?

Side question which I asked and will ask once again. If you do want or re= ady to become the President
or even if you become a VP
=
why do you think you qualify as a VP?

Not that I am against but I'm just wondering as you how to make the = org better, what will be your actions to make it better and in what regard?=
Bob has done a great work.
Even now he cares about cop= ies of CLL for Amazon.
He is trying to make translations.
He has been organizing jbonunsla.

But it seems = that otherwise there has been no activity.

So what= will be your actions, And (except hiring new members of the Board from the= existing LLG members)?






And Rosta, On 12/05/2015 16:49:
My interpretation of Riley's suggestion is that during what we'd in= tend to be the curtailed terms of Pres (Bob) and VP (maybe me), the Pres an= d VP focus on recruiting onto the board people interested in undertaking va= rious kinds of leadership; they'd join the board at the next LLG meetin= g, which would be called later this year.

If this is what Riley and Craig support too, then I suggest we give it a fe= w days to see if anyone wants to make a counterproposal. I do want to add t= hat if someone else would like to volunteer for the VP role as outlined abo= ve, I will be pleased rather than chagrined; I'd rather leave the effor= t to someone else (& indeed I volunteered for the board only so as to e= ncourage other more suitable colleagues to volunteer; I hadn't expected= to actually be elected).

--And

 On 12 May 2015 16:34, "Craig Daniel" <craigbdaniel@gmail.com <mailto:<= a href=3D"mailto:craigbdaniel@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">craigbdaniel@gma= il.com>> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I would support this, conditioned on the board taking steps t= o encourage and assist the unofficial leaders within the Lojban community.<= br>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On 5:52am, Tue, May 12, 2015 Riley Martinez-Lynch <shunpiker@gmail.com &= lt;mailto:shunpike= r@gmail.com>> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On May 12, 2015, at 5:17 AM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com <mailto:and.r= osta@gmail.com>> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The members of the Board and even of the LLG we= ren't selected with the purpose of ensuring the Board contained someone= suitable for the sort of active leadership role you very reasonably envisa= ge as desirable.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I suspect we may be seeing here a consequence o= f the fact that the responsibilities of the Board are little understood by = the community, and even by the membership. This lack of understanding is at= once cause and effect of the long period during which there were few recru= its, and has had the effect -- as lojbab underscored in his presidential re= port a few years back -- of shrinking the pool of prospective leaders.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I think there's agreement that going forwar= d the Board should make efforts to keep the community informed about its wo= rk, if only in the interest of cultivating potential directors and officers= . I intend to work on that as secretary.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I have too much on in my life that requires me = to be promptly attentive to business for me to volunteer to take on this ro= le. I am, tho, willing to work with Riley on establishing whether the commu= nity wants an active leader and on finding one; I would offer to take the V= P role for one year if that was the extent of my duties.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I would support And taking on the role of VP, n= oting that one of the duties of the president, which could possibly be dele= gated to the vice president, is the determination of the timing of the annu= al meeting, and by extension, the election of officers by the board. So in = the case that our effort to recruit new leadership bears fruit, the preside= nt and vice president could choose to abbreviate their terms by calling the= meeting to order in late summer, etc.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --Riley

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