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Bob LeChevalier, On 12/06/2015 20:01:
> And my younger sister has been dying (painfully) of cancer,
> reminding me yet again of my eventual mortality; she finally passed
> last night.

My sympathies. I have had bitter experience of such sorrows myself.

> I stated my sense of vision if I am reelected President, requiring a
> VP who would be working to aid me in community leadership with an end
> that eventually allows me to bow out gracefully.
>
> And is the only one who has spoken up at all as a volunteer for VP,
> but his willingness is expressed as pretty much diametrically
> opposite to what I described, basically holding the office as a space
> filler. We might as well leave the VP position vacant, if no one is
> willing to even minimally fulfill the position.

In fairness I did say that as VP I would undertake the activity of leading the search for someone to take on the Pres or VP role along the lines that you wish, and further discussion established that we would set a soonish deadline for concluding that search and holding new elections. Given how much relevant volunteering is going on, I think that commitment from me is quite significant and worth accepting. Riley and Craig are in favour. So we could put it to a vote of the board and then get cracking.

It's quite possible that noone would respond to a call to lead. If that happens, then I think we should reissue the call, but this time just for people willing to support Robin with keeping Lojban.org running and publishing the new CLL and with keeping the first edition of CLL in print until then.


> On 5/31/2015 4:56 PM, And Rosta wrote:
>> On 31 May 2015 21:02, "Riley Martinez-Lynch" <shunpiker@gmail.com
>> <mailto:shunpiker@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  >
>>  > I think this demonstrates exactly what we need in a VP: Someone who
>> notices that the meeting is stalled, and does what is needed to get
>> things moving again.
>>
>> Right. But to be clear, I don't want to take on that important role.
>> Large amounts of my too-demanding professional life involve that role
>> (at my university I lead the team of academics who teach linguistics,
>> and I lead the team of trade union representatives who represent  the
>> 1200 academics at the university).
>>
>>  > I second And's proposal.
>
> Nobody has yet made an actual motion, and I don't think nominations
> need a second. I'm really reluctant to be President with no real
> backup, as per And's proposal, so I won't nominate myself under these
> conditions, and will pretty much require a strong sense that people
> really want me to continue without a backup, even with the haphazard
> way I've been performing in order to accept a draft.

I'd be willing to take on the Pres role on the same basis under which I'd offered to take on the VP role. Hopefully then when I issued the call for volunteers to take on active leadership roles as Pres & VP, you would then volunteer, on the basis that your partner, Pres or VP, would gradually take over from you.
  

>   I especially appreciate the idea of tying
>> the recruitment of directors to a discussion of the officers election.
>
> I think at this point, we ought to report to the members that the
> Board has a lack of people willing to serve as officers, and get a
> sense of what they would like to do.

You think this is preferable to just issuing a call for people willing to serve as officers, as per my proposal?

> Do we need to consider dissolving LLG? I'd hate for that to happen
> with no bona fide successor organization. I believe that books would
> not be published, and our slowly accumulated funds would have to be
> donated to other nonprofits and would not be available to support
> Lojban activities and projects.
>
> But if no one gives a damn about preserving the capability for an
> organization to do business, LLG will eventually die

Of the current board, there is evidence of giving a damn from

me
you
Riley
Craig
Ark/Gleki

I don't recall any contribution from Ali or Timo, and I would be minded to report this at the next LLG meeting.


>>  > So, while I personally don't see it as problematic that the board
>> elects officers, and the membership elects the board, I do think that
>> it's important to make efforts to raise awareness of these activities. I
>> have at least one relevant proposal in mind for the board's attention: I
>> was planning on raising it after the officer's election, but this seems
>> like a good time to offer a preview: I want to open the llg-members
>> mailing list, such that anyone can read it, but only members may make
>> unmoderated posts to the list.
>>
>> I agree about opening the llg-members archives. Probably you should
>> check on the list itself that nobody objects.
>
> As I see it, Robin ruled as Secretary that the mailing list archives
> would serve as meeting minutes, and since we are required by law to
> have meeting minutes be publicly available (indeed nominally in a
> printed copy at my house, which is our legal headquarters), the
> member archives should be open without a vote. Unless the new
> Secretary wants to come up with a better set of "minutes" for the
> last umpteen years. (we also need the same for Board meetings, except
> that the Board long ago explicitly decided NOT to have its
> meetings/archives be public, so we simply have been in violation of
> the law since Robin took office.

Okay.

>
>>  > To make it clear, I'm not at all opposed to developing new bylaws
>> governing elections. I seem to recall that someone -- was it guskant?
>> --  had some interesting ideas about balloting that were discussed
>> during the meeting. But I want to emphasize that my primary and
>> immediate concern is with finding willing and qualified candidates.
>
> I think we can pretty much agree that if there is no real contest
> among the set of candidates, the voting method is pretty much
> irrelevant.

Only if a real contest is any in which the number of candidates exceed the number of vacancies elected to.

--And.

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