Received: from localhost ([::1]:50891 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8uBz-0002gN-Cb; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 10:47:03 -0700 Received: from mail-wi0-f176.google.com ([209.85.212.176]:34599) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8uBr-0002g3-Uy for llg-board@lojban.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 10:47:00 -0700 Received: by wicnd19 with SMTP id nd19so68132473wic.1 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 10:46:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=XHaLRXJZ/S2wpz87Ufff1MNdsZgYFCorEpVpYOZiEUc=; b=WPSKc00hR13wECJWybcNJilpm7q2lU8uuLV9h9pxK32ASSBZO44FRizEiFpEdik7DU Z1kSr4BcqzuYB0fcZ3j1AOZDWEspofTXa88W77S9J4/BAMn/5prok75PpYA1Yuaa+eKt 5yazkAw/TIoaGttaspNiv4ZkG8Zy3lRA24Nsrm1NYLHSJidwhhTgMxsgbIdjOLkpIOzb kYT7ENvppsUG4OvkirR+7aLdzl0meri4uNgVzg358ajW/BseweifVyUlwjYhjZnQRnC6 9yqigK3H0GxkK+RC0F/Zpp3oi9bEhX5gcGli8zK4J1tz17xjloyWZaxDlbdQaQnaktDS s4Pw== X-Received: by 10.180.98.134 with SMTP id ei6mr7182946wib.49.1435427209226; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 10:46:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.221.167 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 10:46:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <558ED6B4.7050705@lojban.org> References: <3A4632EF-7D53-456F-ADA6-EBF6993301BF@gmail.com> <558AE744.1070103@lojban.org> <558ED6B4.7050705@lojban.org> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 20:46:09 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-board@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.0 X-Spam_score_int: -9 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [llg-board] Officers election: Formal motion X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0298324962476602589==" Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org --===============0298324962476602589== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0442829ae82d270519837002 --f46d0442829ae82d270519837002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-06-27 20:00 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier : > On 6/24/2015 1:35 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > >> 2015-06-24 20:22 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier > >: >> >> On 6/23/2015 9:33 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >> >> 2015-06-23 16:15 GMT+03:00 Riley Martinez-Lynch >> >> >>: >> >> I move that Robert LeChevalier be re-elected as President >> of LLG, >> and And Rosta be elected as Vice President. I ask for a >> second. >> >> >> mi zanru >> >> >> I'll take that as a second. >> >> Yes. Any other ways of saying that? >> > > I am not sure of your question. Are you asking for a Lojban phrasing for > "I second the motion"? > yes > > If so, I am sure we can come up with one, but I would first check the > historical etymology of the English usage before trying to come up with a > definitive translation. My guess is that "remoi go'i" would be the > appropriate followon to a Lojban motion, but it isn't clear to me what go'i > refers to when the previous is in English. > > > Meanwhile, Pierre has been trying to nail down arrangements for a >> LogFest this summer, to be held at a hotel because Nora and I aren't >> up to hosting it this year. He has focused on the NYC Philadelphia >> corridor, and I think specifically on Princeton, the 4th weekend in >> August. The hotel he is looking at will probably charge $400 for a >> meeting room and a double room per day, so it could come to more >> than $1200 for the weekend, (Sabbath keepers tend to arrive >> midafternoon on Fridays). In the past we have generally budgeted >> around $1000 per year, but Riley may have information on how much >> actually was spent/reimbursed because Robin hasn't reported actuals. >> >> I suspect that we can afford whatever it takes, but a motion for a >> specific limit would be wise. $1000, $1200, $1500? >> >> Obviously, no vote from me here. >> > > I don't know why it is obvious. LLG has money, and Pierre wants us to > spend it for a LogFest. We need to determine if we will do so. That is > the responsibility of the Board, since it is a financial decision. > > I'm passing my vote to Riley since my job is currently binding me to my >> place. >> > > You needn't go anywhere in order to cast a vote. And you needn't be going > to LogFest yourself in order to have an opinion. I'm unaware of prices there. I can't judge. It's specific to that place where I've never been. I could suggest LogFests (no matter in what country they are held) be financed by who runs them, i.e. by every participant. Otherwise I'm not sure what is the value on spending money on them. What is the amount of spoken Lojban there? *I haven't seen a single video or audio record of Lojban lessons or Lojban fluent conversations from LogFests.* If we want to e.g. teach NooLearning Lojban then why not invite them to another place where a fluent speaker can teach them the basics of the language so that they leave the meeting ready to expand their vocabulary? So I suggest providing financial support for such meetings *only if they prove they fulfilled our tasks.* Otherwise I suggest finalizing CLL 2.0 and then spending money of CLL on internet advertising which is one of the most successful techniques nowadays. I can help with that after CLL 2.0 is ready. One of its evaluation parameters is "cost per order" i.e. how much money we spend for a single purchase of a copy of CLL. As for LogFests I haven't ever seen estimations how much Lojbanistan gained from them. --f46d0442829ae82d270519837002 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2015-06-27 20:00 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org><= /span>:
On 6/24/2015 1:35 PM, Gleki= Arxokuna wrote:
2015-06-24 20:22 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org
 <mailto:lojbab@lo= jban.org>>:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On 6/23/2015 9:33 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2015-06-23 16:15 GMT+03:00 Riley Martinez-Lynch=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <shunpiker@gmail.com <mailto:shunpiker@gmail.com>
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <mailto:shunpiker@gmail.com <mailto:shunpiker@gmail.com>>>:<= span>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I move that Robert LeCheval= ier be re-elected as President
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 of LLG,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and And Rosta be elected as= Vice President. I ask for a second.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 mi zanru


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I'll take that as a second.

Yes. Any other ways of saying that?

I am not sure of your question.=C2=A0 Are you asking for a Lojban phrasing = for "I second the motion"?

ye= s
=C2=A0

If so, I am sure we can come up with one, but I would first check the histo= rical etymology of the English usage before trying to come up with a defini= tive translation.=C2=A0 My guess is that "remoi go'i" would b= e the appropriate followon to a Lojban motion, but it isn't clear to me= what go'i refers to when the previous is in English.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Meanwhile, Pierre has been trying to nail down arrangements f= or a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 LogFest this summer, to be held at a hotel because Nora and I= aren't
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 up to hosting it this year.=C2=A0 He has focused on the NYC P= hiladelphia
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 corridor, and I think specifically on Princeton, the 4th week= end in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 August.=C2=A0 The hotel he is looking at will probably charge= $400 for a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 meeting room and a double room per day, so it could come to m= ore
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 than $1200 for the weekend, (Sabbath keepers tend to arrive =C2=A0 =C2=A0 midafternoon on Fridays).=C2=A0 In the past we have generally= budgeted
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 around $1000 per year, but Riley may have information on how = much
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 actually was spent/reimbursed because Robin hasn't report= ed actuals.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I suspect that we can afford whatever it takes, but a motion = for a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 specific limit would be wise.=C2=A0 $1000, $1200, $1500?

 Obviously, no vote from me here.

I don't know why it is obvious.=C2=A0 LLG has money, and Pierre wants u= s to spend it for a LogFest.=C2=A0 We need to determine if we will do so.= =C2=A0 That is the responsibility of the Board, since it is a financial dec= ision.

I'm passing my vote to Riley since my job is currently binding me to my= place.

 You needn't go anywhere in order to cast a vote.=C2=A0 And you needn= 9;t be going to LogFest yourself in order to have an opinion.
<= div>
I'm unaware of prices there. I can't judge. It&#= 39;s specific to that place where I've never been.

=
I could suggest LogFests (no matter in what country they are held) be = financed by who runs them, i.e. by every participant.

<= div>Otherwise I'm not sure what is the value on spending money on them.= What is the amount of spoken Lojban there?

I h= aven't seen a single video or audio record of Lojban lessons or Lojban = fluent conversations from LogFests.

If we want= to e.g. teach NooLearning Lojban then why not invite them to another place= where a fluent speaker can teach them the basics of the language so that t= hey leave the meeting ready to expand their vocabulary?

So I suggest providing financial support for such meetings only if= they prove they fulfilled our tasks.

O= therwise I suggest finalizing CLL 2.0 and then spending money of CLL on int= ernet advertising which is one of the most successful techniques nowadays. = I can help with that after CLL 2.0 is ready. One of its evaluation paramete= rs is "cost per order" i.e. how much money we spend for a single = purchase of a copy of CLL.

As for LogFests I haven= 't ever seen estimations how much Lojbanistan gained from them.
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