Received: from localhost ([::1]:38320 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbtDX-0005E3-Er; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 09:36:27 -0700 Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net ([68.230.241.213]:50861) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbtDR-0005Dq-2i for llg-board@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 09:36:26 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo110 ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20150915163614.LBEM17881.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo110> for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:36:14 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([72.209.242.63]) by eastrmimpo110 with cox id HUcE1r00F1Nn1eG01UcETy; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:36:14 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020201.55F848FE.025E,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=FaLpMuC6 c=1 sm=1 a=sOxKrxY1QYXBcFVBIkZEyQ==:17 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=oZXvsXgn1qGPkZDQiO8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=enpMEGhjuHOQvYpW:21 a=FwZP7yfLZLZ_O1FG:21 a=sOxKrxY1QYXBcFVBIkZEyQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none To: llg-board@lojban.org From: "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG" Organization: The Logical Language Group, Inc. Message-ID: <55F848FE.9030406@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:36:14 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: [llg-board] The lojban text and music pages X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org One thing I left out of the meeting discussion, but maybe it needs to be dealt with at the annual meeting, or maybe we should do it ourselves. I was told of these two pages during the discussion I participated in at LogFest, and have since spent a little time looking at many (most?) of the items. I will note in passing that whoever redesigned the menus and home page has made it remarkably difficult to find these two pages. They need to be easier, and also highlighted/promoted. The recent music in particular makes Lojban seem much closer to a living language. But that isn't the issue I need to raise, which is copyright. In part because of how we got started on Lojban, given JCB's copyright claims on Loglan, which he was using to dictate how people used the language, as well as gave him extreme control over every issue that came up - we have made it a priority to be very careful about respecting copyright and intellectual property rights from the beginning. This is especially important because we are an international organization, and some countries (the UK in particular that I know of) has stronger copyright laws than the US has. As a result of this policy, we have primarily focused on translation only from works that were copyright-free, or where we had express permission from the author. In particular, John Cowan's translation of a popular childrens' book (Are You My Mother?), done for my kids 20 years ago, was never released to the community. The Board also explicitly decided that we could not in any way promote or publicize (much less host) the translation of "The Little Prince" on our site, since permissions were not sought. Much to my chagrin, "The Little Prince" is on the texts page, along with SEVERAL children's books that I am sure are under copyright. I don't know about the music (which has its own special rules under US copyright, but may have a robust enough licensing system that we can get permissions. I know at least one song on there (a translation of a popular children's song from a Russian TV show, I think done by guskant) that is likely under copyright (it was one of my son's favorites when he first arrived from Russia). I suspect that there are others. Someone needs to weed through these web pages and figure out which of them have potential copyright problems, and either get rid of them or propose ways to cover us from potential liability (getting permissions for non-commercial use of the music, for example). If we remove items, it would probably be OK to mention their existence, noting the copyright issue on the page, in hopes that they won't simply reappear the next time someone edits the page. (The Little Prince has come up perhaps a half dozen times over the years because people keep wanting to put it back on our site). Please, some discussion ... lojbab _______________________________________________ llg-board mailing list llg-board@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board