Received: from localhost ([::1]:55206 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiM08-0006nm-Lk; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 05:33:20 -0700 Received: from mail-ig0-f178.google.com ([209.85.213.178]:38823) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiM02-0006nf-C0 for llg-board@lojban.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 05:33:18 -0700 Received: by igxx6 with SMTP id x6so32411714igx.1 for ; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 05:33:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MHWRMMMsFjBVldrmcP+NHZRJCB8jzJuqTnTvy9+yvwY=; b=GdE/wxtuaM9P88RA100yCC92JKc5iNVnPp7ddiGewKpjp9w+LxX+u+vCVllbPYn92Z VmHeX2w9T1IqGPqauVWS83us9r/OhGAW8W3Y6x1bVCgoREehRkilvCp7bQr8L03Y6RSb rpJgevXFcyTk2sEYJKfZExaSMgpL2HB1B+K4RaMXenxL+y8ooB/vljOHQcAfUREKz0ef U+rsLxIRPd0N1SVjAZenX23fCtL/Aood9Llwmxs+8dH9tA8K9x6HVAKDoZZFenbuHJ2M 2X+LwTcvbVN1PKRH27lyt87gqwvUYbOlK4aLsotLUKtE4rM7BKV410GWio8gUKQsdGNV G8cQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.43.170 with SMTP id x10mr1910497igl.89.1443875588511; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 05:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.85.200 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Oct 2015 05:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.85.200 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Oct 2015 05:33:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53A6AFBB-E438-47FE-91C8-A47E011279C5@gmail.com> References: <55F8422C.7060108@lojban.org> <53A6AFBB-E438-47FE-91C8-A47E011279C5@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:33:07 +0100 Message-ID: From: And Rosta To: llg-board@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [llg-board] Time for another annual meeting? X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3457653935517460466==" Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org --===============3457653935517460466== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01176cad8db4280521327bb7 --089e01176cad8db4280521327bb7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I should apologize both for having overlooked this thread when it began and for not having done the one and only thing I undertook to do as vice president, namely to initiate a search for a better candidate than we have on the board. As part of doing that I had also wanted to have a wider debate about what the president and vice-president's main responsibilities are. I'd say they are at minimum ensuring (in a buck-stops-with-them sort of way) that Lojban.org is in good health and that CLL is in print and available for a sensible price, and, beyond the minimum, proactively coordinating anything that people want them to proactively coordinate. Does anybody have a view on whether I should bother doing that now, or whether we should just call the meeting? Either way, before, or when, calling the next meeting, there should be a call for people to become LLG members, making clear their duty as members would be to attend the meeting and to elect the board. At the start of the meeting I would also move to remove membership from every member who neither is in attendance nor has been conspicuously active in the Lojban community in the past year. And when voting for board members, I second Riley's suggestion that current members should not be automatically renominated. Furthermore, I think we should give the LLG a report on the board members' activity, which I would report as: pretty assiduous - Riley & Gleki; scant energy but still committed practically and spiritually - Lojbab; active in email discussion but contributes little else - And; likewise, when reallife permits - Craig; silent and invisible - the remainder. I would recommend that LLG try to elect more effective replacements for all board members but Riley, Gleki and Lojbab. On a different but related point, I think there should be an honorary lifetime role for Lojbab for when he eventually steps down from the board. Something comparable to the Archgrammarian title given to John Cowan. Ditto for Robin. And On 2 Oct 2015 10:31, "Riley Martinez-Lynch" wrote: > .u=E2=80=99u mi lerci spuda > > I=E2=80=99m glad to see the meeting process begin. I expect this year=E2= =80=99s meeting > will be less demanding. Perhaps we=E2=80=99ll even finish it before 2016!= .u=E2=80=99i > > I will send out a call for agenda items this weekend. I=E2=80=99m not awa= re of any > special items, but then I=E2=80=99ve been away for the last week or so. > > I=E2=80=99d like to propose that the meeting begin on Saturday, October 1= 7. That > would give us until October 3, i.e. a week from Saturday, to make the > official notification of the meeting, allowing bylaw proposals. Thoughts? > Seconds? > > I agree that the lack of officer candidates is a problem. Per my own > understanding of the bylaws, I don=E2=80=99t see any objection to interna= tional > board members and officers =E2=80=94 LLG has had such officers in the pas= t, as it > does currently. If gleki=E2=80=99s opinion to the contrary is widespread,= it would > be good to address it, in the case that it=E2=80=99s discouraging potenti= al > candidates. > > Perhaps the most diplomatic way to address the issue of non-participating > Board members would be to modify the way in which the Board is elected. I > don=E2=80=99t think the bylaws require that Board members are automatical= ly > candidates for re-election, so I would propose that only candidates who > actively assent to nomination are considered. > > gleki asked if the BPFK chair is a member of this mailing list. He is not= , > as the members of this list are supposed to be limited to the Board. Ther= e > are actually a few previous members of the Board who are still subscribed= . > I will rectify that this weekend. > > =E2=80=94Riley > > > On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - > LLG wrote: > > > > I'm not all that ambitious to start things over again, especially this > soon after the last one (finally) ended, but it is time to consider havin= g > THIS year's annual members meeting. > > > > I'm open to suggestions (or a motion) for when to start the meeting. > > > > Do we have any agenda items, other than getting reports from Robin on > CLL and from the jatna on byfy, and perhaps Pierre will want to say > something about Noolearning and Lojban skill level certification? If > anyone wants to propose any bylaw amendments, they need to be announced i= n > an agenda at least 2 weeks before the meeting. > > > > I will request that Riley put out a call for agenda items and possible > bylaw proposals (mentioning the time requirement) reasonably soon. Allowi= ng > for that call, and the notice, and then finally the start of the meeting, > it could be a month or more before we get to the meeting. > > > > I think that the issue with not having a Board member who did not want > to be present at the (only) Board meeting, and the general issue with not > having enough people willing to be active officers needs to be addressed = by > the members, but I have no idea how to frame that diplomatically. The > question of LLG activity as an organization probably should be on the > agenda at the very least. The issue that was more or less raised by glek= i > as to whether non-US board members can actively serve as officers (and ho= w > they can do so) should also be addressed. And this might be a topic that > needs a bylaw change. > > > > Perhaps Riley can think of a way to summarize the issues we know of, > suitably for the meeting call. > > > > The long term question of my health remains a possible issue, in that i= t > keeps me from doing what I should (though that is admittedly in part due = to > procrastination). I still haven't sent off books to Amazon (and I'm > currently lagging in book orders, with 3 to send out). My repaired > shoulder is doing well, though I have some pain in the other shoulder now= - > this might just be the osteo-arthritis that they found when addressing th= e > shoulder issues. I did have another infection in my toe 3 weeks ago (the > same toe that put me in the hospital last year), which at first did not > respond to antibiotics, but it wasn't resistant and the toe got better > after a couple of weeks (though I've lost that toenail again), and I am > back to my normal level of mobility (which isn't exceptionally good, but > enough to get by). > > > > lojbab > > > > _______________________________________________ > > llg-board mailing list > > llg-board@lojban.org > > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board > > > _______________________________________________ > llg-board mailing list > llg-board@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board > --089e01176cad8db4280521327bb7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I should apologize both for having overlooked this thread wh= en it began and for not having done the one and only thing I undertook to d= o as vice president, namely to initiate a search for a better candidate tha= n we have on the board.

As part of doing that I had also wanted to have a wider deba= te about what the president and vice-president's main responsibilities = are. I'd say they are at minimum ensuring (in a buck-stops-with-them so= rt of way) that Lojban.org is in good health and that CLL is in print and a= vailable for a sensible price, and, beyond the minimum,=C2=A0 proactively c= oordinating anything that people want them to proactively coordinate.

Does anybody have a view on whether I should bother doing th= at now, or whether we should just call the meeting? Either way, before, or = when, calling the next meeting, there should be a call for people to become= LLG members, making clear their duty as members would be to attend the mee= ting and to elect the board.

At the start of the meeting I would also move to remove memb= ership from every member who=C2=A0 neither is in attendance nor has been co= nspicuously active in the Lojban community in the past year.

And when voting for board members, I second Riley's sugg= estion that current members should not be automatically renominated. Furthe= rmore, I think we should give the LLG a report on the board members' ac= tivity, which I would report as: pretty assiduous - Riley & Gleki; scan= t energy but still committed practically and spiritually - Lojbab; active i= n email discussion but contributes little else - And; likewise, when realli= fe permits - Craig; silent and invisible - the remainder. I would recommend= that LLG try to elect more effective replacements for all board members bu= t Riley, Gleki and Lojbab.

On a different but related point, I think there should be an= honorary lifetime role for Lojbab for when he eventually steps down from t= he board. Something comparable to the Archgrammarian title given to John Co= wan. Ditto for Robin.

And

On 2 Oct 2015 10:31, "Riley Martinez-Lynch&= quot; <shunpiker@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
.u=E2=80=99= u mi lerci spuda

I=E2=80=99m glad to see the meeting process begin. I expect this year=E2=80= =99s meeting will be less demanding. Perhaps we=E2=80=99ll even finish it b= efore 2016! .u=E2=80=99i

I will send out a call for agenda items this weekend. I=E2=80=99m not aware= of any special items, but then I=E2=80=99ve been away for the last week or= so.

I=E2=80=99d like to propose that the meeting begin on Saturday, October 17.= That would give us until October 3, i.e. a week from Saturday, to make the= official notification of the meeting, allowing bylaw proposals. Thoughts? = Seconds?

I agree that the lack of officer candidates is a problem. Per my own unders= tanding of the bylaws, I don=E2=80=99t see any objection to international b= oard members and officers =E2=80=94 LLG has had such officers in the past, = as it does currently. If gleki=E2=80=99s opinion to the contrary is widespr= ead, it would be good to address it, in the case that it=E2=80=99s discoura= ging potential candidates.

Perhaps the most diplomatic way to address the issue of non-participating B= oard members would be to modify the way in which the Board is elected. I do= n=E2=80=99t think the bylaws require that Board members are automatically c= andidates for re-election, so I would propose that only candidates who acti= vely assent to nomination are considered.

gleki asked if the BPFK chair is a member of this mailing list. He is not, = as the members of this list are supposed to be limited to the Board. There = are actually a few previous members of the Board who are still subscribed. = I will rectify that this weekend.

=E2=80=94Riley

> On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder -= LLG <lojbab@lojban.org> wro= te:
>
> I'm not all that ambitious to start things over again, especially = this soon after the last one (finally) ended, but it is time to consider ha= ving THIS year's annual members meeting.
>
> I'm open to suggestions (or a motion) for when to start the meetin= g.
>
> Do we have any agenda items, other than getting reports from Robin on = CLL and from the jatna on byfy, and perhaps Pierre will want to say somethi= ng about Noolearning and Lojban skill level certification?=C2=A0 If anyone = wants to propose any bylaw amendments, they need to be announced in an agen= da at least 2 weeks before the meeting.
>
> I will request that Riley put out a call for agenda items and possible= bylaw proposals (mentioning the time requirement) reasonably soon. Allowin= g for that call, and the notice, and then finally the start of the meeting,= it could be a month or more before we get to the meeting.
>
> I think that the issue with not having a Board member who did not want= to be present at the (only) Board meeting, and the general issue with not = having enough people willing to be active officers needs to be addressed by= the members, but I have no idea how to frame that diplomatically.=C2=A0 Th= e question of LLG activity as an organization probably should be on the age= nda at the very least.=C2=A0 The issue that was more or less raised by glek= i as to whether non-US board members can actively serve as officers (and ho= w they can do so) should also be addressed.=C2=A0 And this might be a topic= that needs a bylaw change.
>
> Perhaps Riley can think of a way to summarize the issues we know of, s= uitably for the meeting call.
>
> The long term question of my health remains a possible issue, in that = it keeps me from doing what I should (though that is admittedly in part due= to procrastination).=C2=A0 I still haven't sent off books to Amazon (a= nd I'm currently lagging in book orders, with 3 to send out).=C2=A0 My = repaired shoulder is doing well, though I have some pain in the other shoul= der now - this might just be the osteo-arthritis that they found when addre= ssing the shoulder issues.=C2=A0 I did have another infection in my toe 3 w= eeks ago (the same toe that put me in the hospital last year), which at fir= st did not respond to antibiotics, but it wasn't resistant and the toe = got better after a couple of weeks (though I've lost that toenail again= ), and I am back to my normal level of mobility (which isn't exceptiona= lly good, but enough to get by).
>
> lojbab
>
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