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[100.33.73.219]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p4sm1459759qha.31.2015.10.05.05.33.58 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 05 Oct 2015 05:33:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Riley Martinez-Lynch Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 08:33:58 -0400 References: <55F8422C.7060108@lojban.org> <53A6AFBB-E438-47FE-91C8-A47E011279C5@gmail.com> To: llg-board@lojban.org In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-Spam-Note: SpamAssassin invocation failed Subject: Re: [llg-board] Time for another annual meeting? X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1967304074903696298==" Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org --===============1967304074903696298== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DF4446CF-8354-4FCE-A7D1-D7A8BBFC70A1" --Apple-Mail=_DF4446CF-8354-4FCE-A7D1-D7A8BBFC70A1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I made this pre-announcement of the meeting on September 26: = https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-announcements/P_9OfNi6pLg/rEwVtgwbB= AAJ In order to be able to accept bylaw proposals in the case of = less-than-complete attendance, we need to announce the meeting 15 days = before it is convened. Accordingly, I=E2=80=99d like to propose that the = 2015 annual meeting of LLG be convened on Saturday, October 24, with an = announcement of this date on Friday, October 9. I=E2=80=99d like to = specifically request the consent (or objection) of the president and = vice-president to this timetable. I support And=E2=80=99s proposal to develop an additional title for = lojbab. I believe Pierre proposed {jbedju} as a translation for = =E2=80=9Cmidwife=E2=80=9D. =E2=80=94Riley > On Oct 3, 2015, at 8:33 AM, And Rosta wrote: >=20 > I should apologize both for having overlooked this thread when it = began and for not having done the one and only thing I undertook to do = as vice president, namely to initiate a search for a better candidate = than we have on the board. >=20 > As part of doing that I had also wanted to have a wider debate about = what the president and vice-president's main responsibilities are. I'd = say they are at minimum ensuring (in a buck-stops-with-them sort of way) = that Lojban.org is in good health and that CLL is in print and available = for a sensible price, and, beyond the minimum, proactively coordinating = anything that people want them to proactively coordinate. >=20 > Does anybody have a view on whether I should bother doing that now, or = whether we should just call the meeting? Either way, before, or when, = calling the next meeting, there should be a call for people to become = LLG members, making clear their duty as members would be to attend the = meeting and to elect the board. >=20 > At the start of the meeting I would also move to remove membership = from every member who neither is in attendance nor has been = conspicuously active in the Lojban community in the past year. >=20 > And when voting for board members, I second Riley's suggestion that = current members should not be automatically renominated. Furthermore, I = think we should give the LLG a report on the board members' activity, = which I would report as: pretty assiduous - Riley & Gleki; scant energy = but still committed practically and spiritually - Lojbab; active in = email discussion but contributes little else - And; likewise, when = reallife permits - Craig; silent and invisible - the remainder. I would = recommend that LLG try to elect more effective replacements for all = board members but Riley, Gleki and Lojbab. >=20 > On a different but related point, I think there should be an honorary = lifetime role for Lojbab for when he eventually steps down from the = board. Something comparable to the Archgrammarian title given to John = Cowan. Ditto for Robin. >=20 > And >=20 > On 2 Oct 2015 10:31, "Riley Martinez-Lynch" > wrote: > .u=E2=80=99u mi lerci spuda >=20 > I=E2=80=99m glad to see the meeting process begin. I expect this = year=E2=80=99s meeting will be less demanding. Perhaps we=E2=80=99ll = even finish it before 2016! .u=E2=80=99i >=20 > I will send out a call for agenda items this weekend. I=E2=80=99m not = aware of any special items, but then I=E2=80=99ve been away for the last = week or so. >=20 > I=E2=80=99d like to propose that the meeting begin on Saturday, = October 17. That would give us until October 3, i.e. a week from = Saturday, to make the official notification of the meeting, allowing = bylaw proposals. Thoughts? Seconds? >=20 > I agree that the lack of officer candidates is a problem. Per my own = understanding of the bylaws, I don=E2=80=99t see any objection to = international board members and officers =E2=80=94 LLG has had such = officers in the past, as it does currently. If gleki=E2=80=99s opinion = to the contrary is widespread, it would be good to address it, in the = case that it=E2=80=99s discouraging potential candidates. >=20 > Perhaps the most diplomatic way to address the issue of = non-participating Board members would be to modify the way in which the = Board is elected. I don=E2=80=99t think the bylaws require that Board = members are automatically candidates for re-election, so I would propose = that only candidates who actively assent to nomination are considered. >=20 > gleki asked if the BPFK chair is a member of this mailing list. He is = not, as the members of this list are supposed to be limited to the = Board. There are actually a few previous members of the Board who are = still subscribed. I will rectify that this weekend. >=20 > =E2=80=94Riley >=20 > > On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder = - LLG > wrote: > > > > I'm not all that ambitious to start things over again, especially = this soon after the last one (finally) ended, but it is time to consider = having THIS year's annual members meeting. > > > > I'm open to suggestions (or a motion) for when to start the meeting. > > > > Do we have any agenda items, other than getting reports from Robin = on CLL and from the jatna on byfy, and perhaps Pierre will want to say = something about Noolearning and Lojban skill level certification? If = anyone wants to propose any bylaw amendments, they need to be announced = in an agenda at least 2 weeks before the meeting. > > > > I will request that Riley put out a call for agenda items and = possible bylaw proposals (mentioning the time requirement) reasonably = soon. Allowing for that call, and the notice, and then finally the start = of the meeting, it could be a month or more before we get to the = meeting. > > > > I think that the issue with not having a Board member who did not = want to be present at the (only) Board meeting, and the general issue = with not having enough people willing to be active officers needs to be = addressed by the members, but I have no idea how to frame that = diplomatically. The question of LLG activity as an organization = probably should be on the agenda at the very least. The issue that was = more or less raised by gleki as to whether non-US board members can = actively serve as officers (and how they can do so) should also be = addressed. And this might be a topic that needs a bylaw change. > > > > Perhaps Riley can think of a way to summarize the issues we know of, = suitably for the meeting call. > > > > The long term question of my health remains a possible issue, in = that it keeps me from doing what I should (though that is admittedly in = part due to procrastination). I still haven't sent off books to Amazon = (and I'm currently lagging in book orders, with 3 to send out). My = repaired shoulder is doing well, though I have some pain in the other = shoulder now - this might just be the osteo-arthritis that they found = when addressing the shoulder issues. I did have another infection in my = toe 3 weeks ago (the same toe that put me in the hospital last year), = which at first did not respond to antibiotics, but it wasn't resistant = and the toe got better after a couple of weeks (though I've lost that = toenail again), and I am back to my normal level of mobility (which = isn't exceptionally good, but enough to get by). > > > > lojbab > > > > _______________________________________________ > > llg-board mailing list > > llg-board@lojban.org > > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board = >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > llg-board mailing list > llg-board@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board = > _______________________________________________ > llg-board mailing list > llg-board@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board --Apple-Mail=_DF4446CF-8354-4FCE-A7D1-D7A8BBFC70A1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I made this pre-announcement of the meeting = on September 26:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-announcements/P_9OfNi6pL= g/rEwVtgwbBAAJ

In order to be able to accept bylaw = proposals in the case of less-than-complete attendance, we need to = announce the meeting 15 days before it is convened. Accordingly, I=E2=80=99= d like to propose that the 2015 annual meeting of LLG be convened on = Saturday, October 24, with an announcement of this date on Friday, = October 9. I=E2=80=99d like to specifically request the consent (or = objection) of the president and vice-president to this = timetable.

I = support And=E2=80=99s proposal to develop an additional title for = lojbab. I believe Pierre proposed {jbedju} as a translation for = =E2=80=9Cmidwife=E2=80=9D.

=E2=80=94Riley

On Oct 3, 2015, at 8:33 AM, And = Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:

I should apologize both for having overlooked this thread = when it began and for not having done the one and only thing I undertook = to do as vice president, namely to initiate a search for a better = candidate than we have on the board.

As = part of doing that I had also wanted to have a wider debate about what = the president and vice-president's main responsibilities are. I'd say = they are at minimum ensuring (in a buck-stops-with-them sort of way) = that Lojban.org is in good = health and that CLL is in print and available for a sensible price, and, = beyond the minimum,  proactively coordinating anything that people = want them to proactively coordinate.

Does = anybody have a view on whether I should bother doing that now, or = whether we should just call the meeting? Either way, before, or when, = calling the next meeting, there should be a call for people to become = LLG members, making clear their duty as members would be to attend the = meeting and to elect the board.

At the = start of the meeting I would also move to remove membership from every = member who  neither is in attendance nor has been conspicuously = active in the Lojban community in the past year.

And when voting for board members, I second Riley's = suggestion that current members should not be automatically renominated. = Furthermore, I think we should give the LLG a report on the board = members' activity, which I would report as: pretty assiduous - Riley = & Gleki; scant energy but still committed practically and = spiritually - Lojbab; active in email discussion but contributes little = else - And; likewise, when reallife permits - Craig; silent and = invisible - the remainder. I would recommend that LLG try to elect more = effective replacements for all board members but Riley, Gleki and = Lojbab.

On a different but related point, I = think there should be an honorary lifetime role for Lojbab for when he = eventually steps down from the board. Something comparable to the = Archgrammarian title given to John Cowan. Ditto for Robin.

And

On 2 Oct 2015 10:31, "Riley Martinez-Lynch" = <shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote:
.u=E2=80=99u mi lerci = spuda

I=E2=80=99m glad to see the meeting process begin. I expect this = year=E2=80=99s meeting will be less demanding. Perhaps we=E2=80=99ll = even finish it before 2016! .u=E2=80=99i

I will send out a call for agenda items this weekend. I=E2=80=99m not = aware of any special items, but then I=E2=80=99ve been away for the last = week or so.

I=E2=80=99d like to propose that the meeting begin on Saturday, October = 17. That would give us until October 3, i.e. a week from Saturday, to = make the official notification of the meeting, allowing bylaw proposals. = Thoughts? Seconds?

I agree that the lack of officer candidates is a problem. Per my own = understanding of the bylaws, I don=E2=80=99t see any objection to = international board members and officers =E2=80=94 LLG has had such = officers in the past, as it does currently. If gleki=E2=80=99s opinion = to the contrary is widespread, it would be good to address it, in the = case that it=E2=80=99s discouraging potential candidates.

Perhaps the most diplomatic way to address the issue of = non-participating Board members would be to modify the way in which the = Board is elected. I don=E2=80=99t think the bylaws require that Board = members are automatically candidates for re-election, so I would propose = that only candidates who actively assent to nomination are = considered.

gleki asked if the BPFK chair is a member of this mailing list. He is = not, as the members of this list are supposed to be limited to the = Board. There are actually a few previous members of the Board who are = still subscribed. I will rectify that this weekend.

=E2=80=94Riley

> On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and = Founder - LLG <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
>
> I'm not all that ambitious to start things over again, especially = this soon after the last one (finally) ended, but it is time to consider = having THIS year's annual members meeting.
>
> I'm open to suggestions (or a motion) for when to start the = meeting.
>
> Do we have any agenda items, other than getting reports from Robin = on CLL and from the jatna on byfy, and perhaps Pierre will want to say = something about Noolearning and Lojban skill level certification?  = If anyone wants to propose any bylaw amendments, they need to be = announced in an agenda at least 2 weeks before the meeting.
= >
> I will request that Riley put out a call for agenda items and = possible bylaw proposals (mentioning the time requirement) reasonably = soon. Allowing for that call, and the notice, and then finally the start = of the meeting, it could be a month or more before we get to the = meeting.
>
> I think that the issue with not having a Board member who did not = want to be present at the (only) Board meeting, and the general issue = with not having enough people willing to be active officers needs to be = addressed by the members, but I have no idea how to frame that = diplomatically.  The question of LLG activity as an organization = probably should be on the agenda at the very least.  The issue that = was more or less raised by gleki as to whether non-US board members can = actively serve as officers (and how they can do so) should also be = addressed.  And this might be a topic that needs a bylaw change.
>
> Perhaps Riley can think of a way to summarize the issues we know = of, suitably for the meeting call.
>
> The long term question of my health remains a possible issue, in = that it keeps me from doing what I should (though that is admittedly in = part due to procrastination).  I still haven't sent off books to = Amazon (and I'm currently lagging in book orders, with 3 to send = out).  My repaired shoulder is doing well, though I have some pain = in the other shoulder now - this might just be the osteo-arthritis that = they found when addressing the shoulder issues.  I did have another = infection in my toe 3 weeks ago (the same toe that put me in the = hospital last year), which at first did not respond to antibiotics, but = it wasn't resistant and the toe got better after a couple of weeks = (though I've lost that toenail again), and I am back to my normal level = of mobility (which isn't exceptionally good, but enough to get by).
>
> lojbab
>
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