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X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org Riley Martinez-Lynch, On 05/10/2015 13:33: > I made this pre-announcement of the meeting on September 26: > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-announcements/P_9OfNi6pLg/rEwV= tgwbBAAJ > > > In order to be able to accept bylaw proposals in the case of less-than-co= mplete attendance, we need to announce the meeting 15 days before it is con= vened. Accordingly, I=92d like to propose that the 2015 annual meeting of L= LG be convened on Saturday, October 24, with an announcement of this date o= n Friday, October 9. I=92d like to specifically request the consent (or obj= ection) of the president and vice-president to this timetable. > > I support And=92s proposal to develop an additional title for lojbab. I b= elieve Pierre proposed {jbedju} as a translation for =93midwife=94. I was going to suggest Jbojbedji, which is cool sounding. --And. > > =97Riley > >> On Oct 3, 2015, at 8:33 AM, And Rosta > wrote: >> >> I should apologize both for having overlooked this thread when it began = and for not having done the one and only thing I undertook to do as vice pr= esident, namely to initiate a search for a better candidate than we have on= the board. >> >> As part of doing that I had also wanted to have a wider debate about wha= t the president and vice-president's main responsibilities are. I'd say the= y are at minimum ensuring (in a buck-stops-with-them sort of way) that Lojb= an.org is in good health and that CLL is in print and a= vailable for a sensible price, and, beyond the minimum, proactively coordi= nating anything that people want them to proactively coordinate. >> >> Does anybody have a view on whether I should bother doing that now, or w= hether we should just call the meeting? Either way, before, or when, callin= g the next meeting, there should be a call for people to become LLG members= , making clear their duty as members would be to attend the meeting and to = elect the board. >> >> At the start of the meeting I would also move to remove membership from = every member who neither is in attendance nor has been conspicuously activ= e in the Lojban community in the past year. >> >> And when voting for board members, I second Riley's suggestion that curr= ent members should not be automatically renominated. Furthermore, I think w= e should give the LLG a report on the board members' activity, which I woul= d report as: pretty assiduous - Riley & Gleki; scant energy but still commi= tted practically and spiritually - Lojbab; active in email discussion but c= ontributes little else - And; likewise, when reallife permits - Craig; sile= nt and invisible - the remainder. I would recommend that LLG try to elect m= ore effective replacements for all board members but Riley, Gleki and Lojba= b. >> >> On a different but related point, I think there should be an honorary li= fetime role for Lojbab for when he eventually steps down from the board. So= mething comparable to the Archgrammarian title given to John Cowan. Ditto f= or Robin. >> >> And >> >> On 2 Oct 2015 10:31, "Riley Martinez-Lynch" > wrote: >> >> .u=92u mi lerci spuda >> >> I=92m glad to see the meeting process begin. I expect this year=92s = meeting will be less demanding. Perhaps we=92ll even finish it before 2016!= .u=92i >> >> I will send out a call for agenda items this weekend. I=92m not awar= e of any special items, but then I=92ve been away for the last week or so. >> >> I=92d like to propose that the meeting begin on Saturday, October 17= . That would give us until October 3, i.e. a week from Saturday, to make th= e official notification of the meeting, allowing bylaw proposals. Thoughts?= Seconds? >> >> I agree that the lack of officer candidates is a problem. Per my own= understanding of the bylaws, I don=92t see any objection to international = board members and officers =97 LLG has had such officers in the past, as it= does currently. If gleki=92s opinion to the contrary is widespread, it wou= ld be good to address it, in the case that it=92s discouraging potential ca= ndidates. >> >> Perhaps the most diplomatic way to address the issue of non-particip= ating Board members would be to modify the way in which the Board is electe= d. I don=92t think the bylaws require that Board members are automatically = candidates for re-election, so I would propose that only candidates who act= ively assent to nomination are considered. >> >> gleki asked if the BPFK chair is a member of this mailing list. He i= s not, as the members of this list are supposed to be limited to the Board.= There are actually a few previous members of the Board who are still subsc= ribed. I will rectify that this weekend. >> >> =97Riley >> >> > On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Found= er - LLG > wrote: >> > >> > I'm not all that ambitious to start things over again, especially = this soon after the last one (finally) ended, but it is time to consider ha= ving THIS year's annual members meeting. >> > >> > I'm open to suggestions (or a motion) for when to start the meetin= g. >> > >> > Do we have any agenda items, other than getting reports from Robin= on CLL and from the jatna on byfy, and perhaps Pierre will want to say som= ething about Noolearning and Lojban skill level certification? If anyone w= ants to propose any bylaw amendments, they need to be announced in an agend= a at least 2 weeks before the meeting. >> > >> > I will request that Riley put out a call for agenda items and poss= ible bylaw proposals (mentioning the time requirement) reasonably soon. All= owing for that call, and the notice, and then finally the start of the meet= ing, it could be a month or more before we get to the meeting. >> > >> > I think that the issue with not having a Board member who did not = want to be present at the (only) Board meeting, and the general issue with = not having enough people willing to be active officers needs to be addresse= d by the members, but I have no idea how to frame that diplomatically. The= question of LLG activity as an organization probably should be on the agen= da at the very least. The issue that was more or less raised by gleki as t= o whether non-US board members can actively serve as officers (and how they= can do so) should also be addressed. And this might be a topic that needs= a bylaw change. >> > >> > Perhaps Riley can think of a way to summarize the issues we know o= f, suitably for the meeting call. >> > >> > The long term question of my health remains a possible issue, in t= hat it keeps me from doing what I should (though that is admittedly in part= due to procrastination). I still haven't sent off books to Amazon (and I'= m currently lagging in book orders, with 3 to send out). My repaired shoul= der is doing well, though I have some pain in the other shoulder now - this= might just be the osteo-arthritis that they found when addressing the shou= lder issues. I did have another infection in my toe 3 weeks ago (the same = toe that put me in the hospital last year), which at first did not respond = to antibiotics, but it wasn't resistant and the toe got better after a coup= le of weeks (though I've lost that toenail again), and I am back to my norm= al level of mobility (which isn't exceptionally good, but enough to get by). >> > >> > lojbab >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > llg-board mailing list >> > llg-board@lojban.org >> > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> llg-board mailing list >> llg-board@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board >> >> _______________________________________________ >> llg-board mailing list >> llg-board@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board > > > > _______________________________________________ > llg-board mailing list > llg-board@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board > _______________________________________________ llg-board mailing list llg-board@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board