Received: from localhost ([::1]:41928 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1bI9y7-0006gP-2M; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 00:31:31 -0700 Received: from mail-vk0-f45.google.com ([209.85.213.45]:32948) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1bI9y0-0006g2-B2 for llg-board@lojban.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 00:31:28 -0700 Received: by mail-vk0-f45.google.com with SMTP id j3so54750423vkb.0 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 00:31:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=I/cLEitk5jSobOywunbUv4N45w920aawt50MJ2rGEbE=; b=tuxtVxeV0SnhWabXIZ+3p/W7/mPdByaum5uSFPEoLnkIujPOAlbf/OqRlIu2O5APlU QdQ2OwaFCrw44wHLq7lpalTjiWzZ86fGoeOo/hz3mR3gq0upYDv2V13B6gSRjGVYg58b CxnAzrsagOeS0sF1r0RmY4u6j+IOUqyutpsbsMuUaTEnXPqyPGi2UABzHvmFth7AVqoa Lo9YLsn/aFNBUueyv/1LNgEHgLUHT9xeOeGJqrzg19S2UJZirPsv9aWAusjSljt0Jqo6 L4c7ycgNvp9BVVqdP3SyWXiAY0PuWULkxOC00bgOkV3hj5lyMU1vtW/oWnWnv5JbI2X/ M6Vg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=I/cLEitk5jSobOywunbUv4N45w920aawt50MJ2rGEbE=; b=OJaYNu6ethwY/ngsNa5XsMKPA1uDZpLGMW9DZt0JemJXk5GRmgRvV5cULa/I4fMPb6 6fdMmd23RvG5Ni7JGvKtNh05SWoN6CvoMmRzJavoLt/nl+SMhvrBaYZsS9kKNNcZMZNY 5xixno2WQuLV+oka0oHFc7H2pPqjJf9ppxvs7vuChkiqArIPZeV5PEirtkGdFLJRa48p 3Dhnpq7oxb2KsYA9DO0z3tRZOuPyJhi/AfhYaFjmxqzuy1OibUFCAfXYrmwsanjjvHCH x7UQJ+M41JyyPM21CfhjSe06MWNIJ70z7/EIYDZcPuR++5aINIBoCXx9Qdex3owarJgc amCA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKvs+wtibnL3OvnVCSEtKnr4TcF3RWwASyhzptxMLaYkd7TQ23rTbk5mfAQjGfIETg1W/PCTdbWfKYK0g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.97.199 with SMTP id v190mr2618400vkb.20.1467185477634; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 00:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.159.55.141 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 00:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.159.55.141 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 00:31:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <33ef899e-478f-eee0-1e8e-38e71ccfbc26@lojban.org> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 03:31:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: Curtis Franks To: llg-board@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [llg-board] Volunteers and qualifications for office X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1802716438756285265==" Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org --===============1802716438756285265== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c094e6e36cfad053665bdaf --94eb2c094e6e36cfad053665bdaf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I hesitate to assume for myself, in the absence of any competition or even commentary, the office of President because I do not want to seem like I am reaching or trying to amass power and, equally importantly, I recognize that I lack the familiarity and experience that may be desired for the executor of the role; moreover, I have not demonstrated in the final months of the last meeting, any skill or experience in consensus-building or successful legislation-drafting - in fact, I realize that I was a startling failure in these domains. I understand that this performance was uninspiring, contentious, and unhelpful. I will try to improve no matter what my role. All that I can say for my prior conduct was that I was trying to be constructive and active - to do something and to avoid pitfalls in the process. I do think that I can do a good job in any office that I hold if I am given guidance, assistance, patience, and perhaps some direction. I will conduct myself more appropriately as I observe and judge, and as I am advised, in such a role. But I also understand that I have far from earned the trust of my peers. I do not want to bring doubt or grievance to management of this organization. I do not want people to lose faith in it. It may be the case that my recognizing these things - my failings and weaknesses - and my pledge to consciously improve with respect to them may secure for myself some small fraction of faith from others. Still, I believe that, unless another course is necessary, a gradual transition would be best. That way, I can test the waters and others can test me. I am more keen on the Vice-Presidential role as a result. But I also understand Lojbab's reluctance in continuing his present office and that some large degree of power-sharing is likely; I imagine that (should he retain his present role) he will begin and then bring me up to speed in efforts, history, style, and advice for conduct. Then, he will guide me and step in occasionally, as he deems desirable or necessary, gradually phasing out almost entirely as the meeting proceeds; I will increase in presence in inverse proportion. Of course, he may choose to do otherwise - he does not need my welcome here, and especially not my permission, but he has both in abundance. In short, I happily, although somewhat reservedly and self-consciously, nominate myself for the office of Vice-President. I hope to be admirably vigorous in my intention, but also wise in its conduct. If absolutely desired by the community or necessary by development of events, I will take the office of President with more reservation. I do still welcome others to nominate alternatives who may be more qualified and demonstratedly trustworthy. I will do my very best, but I understand my perception and position. I offer myself, essentially, as a willing last-resort. On Jun 25, 2016 19:53, "Curtis Franks" wrote: > I agree about the timing and will hold off for a few days so that others > may comment or join the process. > On Jun 25, 2016 19:45, "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG" < > lojbab@lojban.org> wrote: > >> So Riley has volunteered as both Secretary and Treasurer, and no one else >> has. >> >> Curtis has said he would be interested in either President or Vice >> President. >> >> I'm willing to be President for another year, but I'm not enthusiastic >> because I don't think I did a very good job this past year, and am not sure >> I can do better in the coming year. I guess the same would be true for >> Vice President. I can also imagine Curtis as VP to me as President, and my >> largely delegating the job to him, at least insofar as *active* >> leadership. But if he feels up to the Presidency as it is, maybe he would >> be the better choice for President. (My inactivity doesn't suggest any >> obvious role for me as VP other than as a name to fill the slot.) >> >> If no one else speaks up for any office (maybe allow another day or two >> at most), I suggest that someone move a particular slate, rather than >> holding an election where there aren't multiple candidates. Curtis is >> probably the best one to make such a motion since he knows best which of >> the two top jobs he is more willing/interested in to serve, but anyone can >> make the motion. >> >> lojbab >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> llg-board mailing list >> llg-board@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board >> > --94eb2c094e6e36cfad053665bdaf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I hesitate to assume for myself, in the absence of any compe= tition or even commentary, the office of President because I do not want to= seem like I am reaching or trying to amass power and, equally importantly,= I recognize that I lack the familiarity and experience that may be desired= for the executor of the role; moreover, I have not demonstrated in the fin= al months of the last meeting, any skill or experience in consensus-buildin= g or successful legislation-drafting - in fact, I realize that I was a star= tling failure in these domains. I understand that this performance was unin= spiring, contentious, and unhelpful. I will try to improve no matter what m= y role. All that I can say for my prior conduct was that I was trying to be= constructive and active - to do something and to avoid pitfalls in the pro= cess. I do think that I can do a good job in any office that I hold if I am= given guidance, assistance, patience, and perhaps some direction. I will c= onduct myself more appropriately as I observe and judge, and as I am advise= d, in such a role. But I also understand that I have far from earned the tr= ust of my peers. I do not want to bring doubt or grievance to management of= this organization. I do not want people to lose faith in it. It may be the= case that my recognizing these things - my failings and weaknesses - and m= y pledge to consciously improve with respect to them may secure for myself = some small fraction of faith from others.

Still, I believe that, unless another course is necessary, a= gradual transition would be best. That way, I can test the waters and othe= rs can test me. I am more keen on the Vice-Presidential role as a result. B= ut I also understand Lojbab's reluctance in continuing his present offi= ce and that some large degree of power-sharing is likely; I imagine that (s= hould he retain his present role) he will begin and then bring me up to spe= ed in efforts, history, style, and advice for conduct. Then, he will guide = me and step in occasionally, as he deems desirable or necessary, gradually = phasing out almost entirely as the meeting proceeds; I will increase in pre= sence in inverse proportion. Of course, he may choose to do otherwise - he = does not need my welcome here, and especially not my permission, but he has= both in abundance.

In short, I happily, although somewhat reservedly and self-c= onsciously, nominate myself for the office of Vice-President. I hope to be = admirably vigorous in my intention, but also wise in its conduct. If absolu= tely desired by the community or necessary by development of events, I will= take the office of President with more reservation.

I do still welcome others to nominate alternatives who may b= e more qualified and demonstratedly trustworthy. I will do my very best, bu= t I understand my perception and position. I offer myself, essentially, as = a willing last-resort.

On Jun 25, 2016 19:53, "Curtis Franks"= <curtis.w.franks@gmail.com= > wrote:

I agree about the timing and will hold off for a few days so tha= t others may comment or join the process.

On Jun 25, 2016 19:45, "Bob LeChevalier, Pr= esident and Founder - LLG" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
So Riley has volunteered as both Secretary and= Treasurer, and no one else has.

Curtis has said he would be interested in either President or Vice Presiden= t.

I'm willing to be President for another year, but I'm not enthusias= tic because I don't think I did a very good job this past year, and am = not sure I can do better in the coming year.=C2=A0 I guess the same would b= e true for Vice President.=C2=A0 I can also imagine Curtis as VP to me as P= resident, and my largely delegating the job to him, at least insofar as *ac= tive* leadership.=C2=A0 But if he feels up to the Presidency as it is, mayb= e he would be the better choice for President. (My inactivity doesn't s= uggest any obvious role for me as VP other than as a name to fill the slot.= )

If no one else speaks up for any office=C2=A0 (maybe allow another day or t= wo at most), I suggest that someone move a particular slate, rather than ho= lding an election where there aren't multiple candidates.=C2=A0 Curtis = is probably the best one to make such a motion since he knows best which of= the two top jobs he is more willing/interested in to serve, but anyone can= make the motion.

lojbab



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