Received: from localhost ([::1]:47689 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1bPZNX-0001uZ-6k; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 11:04:23 -0700 Received: from mail-vk0-f47.google.com ([209.85.213.47]:36306) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1bPZNR-0001tF-HZ for llg-board@lojban.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 11:04:21 -0700 Received: by mail-vk0-f47.google.com with SMTP id g1so23219079vkb.3 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 11:04:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=AhNCE98CPSsYh2HwIpIFEj+tKCPFlzeBTo/oEsVRe4c=; b=TOrGldeDJL5ExF+yc+Aii+x0Ofb5LmUGL17KPzInqz0d4lZBMrwtFv/cO4HFhCGxuj CGasBZ6NXSYj4E8W/ma/qN/dtjBmLWcC4OPGeOiEpBeFE56LeqPqIY/Wh/RMl2tD6C8q rL31KOUtJmE14Is40l20JtKmT2D5PRkoGMCukRJLjcxfxcE6LIpEs3RcSPZf5FrcRZJ/ 8vOirFQ/osLoQDl2YhIrMKIyO4UtKJzSbBOhvp2CH51ebG2jaAgYcsiAy7sm0b+0lXF1 wpmKigLi2gekG4xhb+3GBykQ22RFTimCHkIx03SReg8PAUo3dh1aWNPIUmqsQDH01CjN lRjw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=AhNCE98CPSsYh2HwIpIFEj+tKCPFlzeBTo/oEsVRe4c=; b=MX1zUEDoMQ6TPwsyU+bmbU3YvPzSBZtul1OO0e60qLI1qMQR4xnWsR/SU5UZIL9RPi 15aK9HWXAmOH3o+tnEwn17kGHXwJBqR8lqR4eK5AhfgnbMTvfLkMAx8vvR8PuVWDkYWs rdqvrEJXwMjT2UZTQ1j0fO74LXNRIAj/940DoP/rcx5USRlUD8BYN8IifdzxvQ+DEjgB 65xWHEin86Ezzko0UES5D8OWydyvdf+hW3W9OaUKigHNyYg2QyZmUKVetn+/fv1MHasp pya/dQ2+LecA9sll1L6p8wcEUZJybCAntPoxN8vkEByGNbi9PMhDF5D9dFcMVIyzrWeh uzZg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIk44PRQNcxtlYp7YgTe7nc7gmCnHN0bkVgXEROkiNXNLHd5aWjrcgfxNE2Ihb3d/XtNL3AaVpCHsNB1w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.159.34.202 with SMTP id 68mr21013940uan.115.1468951451054; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 11:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.159.55.225 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 11:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.159.55.225 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 11:04:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8968a1ad-a7f9-12bf-e6b5-944776c0c558@selpahi.de> References: <77EE71B1-1949-49B5-A7E2-976EAFB60D00@gmail.com> <8968a1ad-a7f9-12bf-e6b5-944776c0c558@selpahi.de> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:04:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: Curtis Franks To: llg-board@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [llg-board] LLG-Board Meeting Call to order and roll call X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============9183236097577977159==" Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org --===============9183236097577977159== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c07ae606eb986053800e9b7 --94eb2c07ae606eb986053800e9b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Sure, no problem. I came to Lojban one month shy of nine years ago. I learned everything that I knew on my own. I did not interact much with the community until a few years ago, but was at least somewhat familiar with certain major developments in the language and reform ideas, although I only adopted some of them more recently (because I had issues with their being official and in effect). It is true that I largely have not produced works in the language, although I have several translations of some length on an old computer somewhere. But using the language, honestly, kind of does not interest me too much. I want to be able to read it and create in it if I desire, of course, but this is theoretical - I have no strong desire at the moment to actually do so in significant quantities. I am more interested in a top-down approach as a theorist. I want to recognize and fix the problems that the language has (semantic gaps, syntactic inefficiencies or faults, and technical issues). I also want to clarify English by inventing in Lojban (for example, vectors are often conflated with their representations in English - I do not want this to be the case for Lojban) and I want to explore where English just cannot easily express a concept by using Lojban. Additionally, I am interested in experimenting with new versions of basic parts of Lojban (such as terbri toggling) - innovations that not only are missing in Lojban but which fundamentally alter how parts of it work (rather than just patching over holes or clarifying and expanding rules). I recognize that a bottom-up, invent-as-you-need-it approach that emphasizes usage is very important, it just is not my cup of tea. I want to make it so that others (or myself in the future) can even talk about these things in the first place by giving them a strong basis with which to start. And I want that conversation to be careful; I am not at all opposed to taking weeks and weeks of thought in order to fashion a sentence in the context of precedent-setting examples or when debating new functionalities. A lot of my work has actually been the result of years of self-debate about what might be best. However, as things go on, or in other environments of usage (such as just normal conversation, some artistic production, translations, etc.), I do recognize that construction has to be faster-paced; we should just be careful to not be beholden to past usage. Anyway, those are some of my philosophies. :) On Jul 17, 2016 07:45, "selpahi" wrote: > > On 16.07.2016 18:46, Curtis Franks wrote: >> >> No conversation has been made in some time. > > > Well, would you mind responding to the following? > >> As for Curtis, it is at times not clear what the nature of his >> involvement with the language is. Most people know Curtis only via >> his contributions on jbovlaste where he is (in)famous for adding >> large amounts of highly technical mathematical jargon (cmavo) and >> similar amounts of experimental gismu. Hardly anybody has seen him >> produce any Lojban (though they would really like to see him do so). >> It is not clear how familiar he is with Lojban culture and history. > > > Since you proposed yourself as a candidate for the position of president or vice-president, I'd like to better understand what you are up to with regards to Lojban. > > > ~~~mi'e la selpa'i > > > _______________________________________________ > llg-board mailing list > llg-board@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board --94eb2c07ae606eb986053800e9b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sure, no problem.

I came to Lojban one month shy of nine years ago. I learned = everything that I knew on my own. I did not interact much with the communit= y until a few years ago, but was at least somewhat familiar with certain ma= jor developments in the language and reform ideas, although I only adopted = some of them more recently (because I had issues with their being official = and in effect).

It is true that I largely have not produced works in the lan= guage, although I have several translations of some length on an old comput= er somewhere. But using the language, honestly, kind of does not interest m= e too much. I want to be able to read it and create in it if I desire, of c= ourse, but this is theoretical - I have no strong desire at the moment to a= ctually do so in significant quantities. I am more interested in a top-down= approach as a theorist. I want to recognize and fix the problems that the = language has (semantic gaps, syntactic inefficiencies or faults, and techni= cal issues). I also want to clarify English by inventing in Lojban (for exa= mple, vectors are often conflated with their representations in English - I= do not want this to be the case for Lojban) and I want to explore where En= glish just cannot easily express a concept by using Lojban. Additionally, I= am interested in experimenting with new versions of basic parts of Lojban = (such as terbri toggling) - innovations that not only are missing in Lojban= but which fundamentally alter how parts of it work (rather than just patch= ing over holes or clarifying and expanding rules). I recognize that a botto= m-up, invent-as-you-need-it approach that emphasizes usage is very importan= t, it just is not my cup of tea. I want to make it so that others (or mysel= f in the future) can even talk about these things in the first place by giv= ing them a strong basis with which to start. And I want that conversation t= o be careful; I am not at all opposed to taking weeks and weeks of thought = in order to fashion a sentence in the context of precedent-setting examples= or when debating new functionalities. A lot of my work has actually been t= he result of years of self-debate about what might be best. However, as thi= ngs go on, or in other environments of usage (such as just normal conversat= ion, some artistic production, translations, etc.), I do recognize that con= struction has to be faster-paced; we should just be careful to not be behol= den to past usage. Anyway, those are some of my philosophies.

:)

On Jul 17, 2016 07:45, "selpahi" <selpahi@selpahi.de> wrote:
>
> On 16.07.2016 18:46, Curtis Franks wrote:
>>
>> No conversation has been made in some time.
>
>
> Well, would you mind responding to the following?
>
>> As for Curtis, it is at times not clear what the nature of his
>> involvement with the language is. Most people know Curtis only via=
>> his contributions on jbovlaste where he is (in)famous for adding >> large amounts of highly technical mathematical jargon (cmavo) and<= br> >> similar amounts of experimental gismu. Hardly anybody has seen him=
>> produce any Lojban (though they would really like to see him do so= ).
>> It is not clear how familiar he is with Lojban culture and history= .
>
>
> Since you proposed yourself as a candidate for the position of preside= nt or vice-president, I'd like to better understand what you are up to = with regards to Lojban.
>
>
> ~~~mi'e la selpa'i
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> llg-board mailing list
> llg-board@lojban.org
> http://m= ail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board

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